964:- Although it appears this article passes NFOOTBALL due to a handful of 2016 AFC Cup matches against clubs from fully-pro leagues, I struggle to justify an article about a person who has such insignificant online coverage (since I don't know how to evaluate potentially extant offline sources in Myanmar). Basically, we have
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which tells us his name and birthdate, plus a few databases (including the reliable
Soccerway which cannot even determine if he has played in the local league for his club). With so little to go by, I don't think we can write enough for an article or be comfortable that the information is accurate.
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The AfDs go like that because of the consensus, that's kinda how it works; or at least should. I can see you are coming from the right direction, but you evidently don't have an understanding of the current state of NFOOTY. Which is fine, but you should learn about it - as I would if I was going to
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For the third time, I'm not saying it's right/wrong - just that the exception exists, and going against it is disruptive as it leads to inconsistency. An individual AfD isn't the appropriate place to discuss this, also already mentioned. I can see we're going round in circles, happy editing!
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