821:- at this point in the history of cricket the criteria for a match being later judged first-class are massively subjective anyway. There are all sorts of example of matches which would never be classed as such if an objective set of criteria were used, so it's hardly surprising that Battersbee is considered to have played a fc match - things are pretty fast and lose and it often seems to come down to whether or not a scorecard exists and whether something interesting happened in the match.
697:- the deleting user in question claims that he was sending schoolmasters up for deletion that he felt did not meet criteria. Not only was the fact that he was a schoolmaster not cited after the extra information was added - which I have now removed - but this obviously bears no weight upon his notability in other areas. I know many schoolmasters but none is actually
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As for notability, this strikes me as an example of notability being inherited from Willes and the bowling incident - which is famous - more than anything else. It's questionable whether
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and my comment in an earlier reference indicate the key match may have had some signficance and if that is verified and ideally linked one might see more encyclopedic value. I also am concerned
Battersbee's contribution to the match result may just be over-emphasised to non-cricketers for that
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If you feel ONESOURCE is an issue rather than CRIN, then please fix this before voting for something on non-existent criteria - except you do not believe this of course, you are purely voting delete on the basis of IDONTLIKEIT. If you "do not believe a subject is notable" despite him passing
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Admittedly this article was still unreferenced when it was sent to AfD. I have since done so. Although, AA, if you find any other of my article creations, especially from 2009 or earlier (isn't it suspicious how people randomly stumble upon these articles after 10 years...) which do not have
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but I need at least some confirmation of what I think I see. Cricket is not particularly my game, but I think I see more re-hashed statistics here than article love. I suppose we do have similar rules for locomotive classes on trains though so I'd better shut
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Cheers. This was a bad habit of mine back when I was creating these articles in great haste! If you find any more like this that I have created, please notify me before sending them to AfD, they are easily fixable.
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was being used as a biographical source rather than pulling statistics which as I have said above is not my reading of the guidelines. We continually have a single source, wasn't this in a newspaper or something?
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Only two references from same source behind a paywall and not marked as such by reasonable citations. One first class appearance for Kent scoring 13 runs ... is this really notable and deserving of an article ?
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If you can locate, add, and sufficiently cite this extra content yourself, please feel free to do so. Saying "there is a problem" without being able to suggest a workable solution to the problem is pointless.
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If you have issues regarding the secondary sources which we have been using for the last 15 years, please raise them in the appropriate place - a single AfD article is not going to change this issue.
299:- Please forgive me for not adding external links and references to this article - I'm amazed that it appears to have been untouched in terms of content in the ten years since I created it!
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Per WP:NCRIC, having played in a first-class match. I suspect there's more coverage on his school career than his cricket career, that could have been covered in newspapers at the time.
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