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923:. I wouldn't say the latter circumstance arises. But the article could be renamed the "Thomas Salme incident" or such. Alternatively, it could be said that this is a set of incidents, and possibly BLP1E doesn't apply. In any case, the content should be retained, whether retitled or not. I don't know why Nom didn't just consider moving and rephrasing this rather than AfD.
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I wouldn't call a link to a Google search that merely shows that Salme's book can be found on the google.books website evidence for much in the way of 'major news coverage'. Particularly when the fourth item on Google's list (after three links to their own website) is to a book published in 1737, on
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aspects of this pilot's, er... career. Certainly privacy concerns do not have much weight because Salme published a book about the flying with a forged pilots license. But the main thing is, there has been some ONGOING interest in the story over the years. In a book. In articles about the
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