1259:, 9781843402343) on pg 335 as "influential to the series" with a short entry on the character. And yet again in "Anime Explosion!: The What? Why? & Wow! of Japanese Animation" on page 60 and 61 with some details about the drawing and meanings of various outfits and what not. Now , the problem is that these sources aren't in some news story. You're not going to get major news coverage in most cases about this. But it's clearly notable to the genre, even if it's a bit hard to put sourcing together for it. I'd say keep it and everybody -- merge, delete, keep voters -- need to calm down, chill out, and relaaaaax. --
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1245:- I love Anime AfD's, where people toss out all the common sense, WP:RS , and WP:CIVIL and go right for the vitriol. Okay, let's do this one by the numbers. I *hate* anime with a passion and even I know who Tien is, IIRC he used to be the Evil Bad Guy until he did a turn and became one of the gang, or something like that. There are sources found in "The Encyclopedia of Japanese Pop Culture (
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merge voters, especially given the way previous discussions on these matters have gone (namely that they have consistently been defeated in AfDs and merge discussions). It is not "canvassing" to tell interested parties who should have been notified on the merge pages that Lord S and Coll are trying to circumvent it
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One has already been unverified (I can scan in all of the pages discussing DB if desired). As the original noted as not replied to the concerns, I'm inclined to disbelieve the other two. I can check the 500 Manga Heroes if desired, but I've looked at it before and found it a fairly useless source for
1446:. Discussions regarding the merger of the characters' articles into the List of characters have not finished. You cannot ignore other discussions and begin a new one without finishing and getting consensus from the original one. You must not ignore what people in the Merge discussions have expressed.
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I have done no more than repeated what I already said, plus the white wolf comment. If you are asking whether I believe you and
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Look, with about zero effort I found a nytimes article. There are also clearly books on the subject matter. Lastly a main character from a book that sells hundreds of millions of copies, is marketed en masse with action figures, videos, etc, is obviously notable. With time and effort do you really
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Would you prefer I lie and say it's
Collectonian's fault for wishing to merge/delete an article that fails notability? Either way, "valid arguments about the AFD" (god forbid we talk about the AFD on the AFD page, you know) don't seem to matter any more, since the discussion seems to have shifted to
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Look, the "notability" JJJ thinks he's asserted is a bunch of Google hits to fansites and completely unrelated shit that doesn't do anything for the article. I understand that you're angry that we don't want an article on a character as worthless as Tien, but don't try to worm your way out of things
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AfDs certainly do supercede the consensus, but only someone of exceptional naivety could believe he had notified the talk page. I am going to notify interested parties myself since he has not done so. It is complete folly to believe that Lord shess and
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How pathetic, people are thinking of merging this or deleting this. You forget that Tien
Shinhan is one of the main and major characters of DBZ. Why don't you delete Yamcha all together, eh? How can you ever think of deleting it? It would be stupid to delete it, and even if you do, I'll just put it
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All I'm saying is that there's no point in finger-pointing. I can read and I know who started what, so there's no point in emphasising. As far as I'm concerned, the discussion is here, and not at the
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Neither are insults and blatantly false accusations, but I don't see you chastising JJJ999. This isn't a vote, and anyone involved in the initial merge discussions WAS notified by JJJ999 per his canvassing efforts (as per an admin, he was canvassing), so there is nothing secret here at all. Nor is
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There's a giant banner on the top of the article. If that isn't a notice, then I can't help you. And stop your threats of "reporting this to mods", as no administrator is going to do anything to aid you in the manner that you want. In any case, AfD supersedes any local consensus on the article, so
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Assumedly with all these new sources, he'll change his mind. But he won't, because he is committed to deleting all DBZ pages, no matter what sources are found. If I can so easily find NYtimes articles and movie reviews and multiple novels about the subject matter, a subject matter that has sold
1361:: There isn't enough real world info for it. If someone can dig up information, then it can be added back. I honestly don't know why any report was left on my Talk page--I haven't been working on DB at all, either, except for some cleaning up the Yamcha article and putting in my vote for merges.
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Villains is Google searchable, and it also does not support this character being in there, and
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vote of someone who was previously engaged in good faith editing and discussions, and who Lord Shes is trying to screw by bypassing. Do you really expect the closing admins to believe that it just is luck that only those who support these 2 were here for the first 2-3 days, when they are in the
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because as you claim, you've done nothing but "repeat yourself" and canvass people who don't understand how
Knowledge works -- not unlike yourself -- and think that you can actually save the article by attempting to convince people that your little articles have not been given "due process" or
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by claiming that it's a capitalist plot and
Sephiroth and Collectonian are out to get you. Knowledge is not the Matrix, and even if it was it wouldn't change the fact that no matter how many "keep" votes you get your friends to post on here, it won't change the fact that the article fails all
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This is not meant to be condescending, but JJJ999, your efforts to "save" this article will be more effective by adding real-world information to the article than by getting into unfocused discussions in an AfD. By the way, IMDb, amazon reviews and tv.com are unreliable and cannot be used to
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another. He is not notable in the sense that G.Bush is notable, but he clearly meets the notability for a fictional wikipedia character. I am reminded of the argument
Viperix posted here which you never got back to about, which showed you didn't even understand what OR is or how it works(
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1378:. LogicalPremise found some perfectly good sources and was willing to show the links for their ISBNs. The question is whether or not the rest of the community will be willing to use these books to claim notability. I for one am convinsed, especially by the links.
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been covered long ago, and every time Lord S does this, he's hit down. He was hit down on Cell in AfDs, he was hit down on Krillin, Roshi, Bulma, and now he's trying to subvert the discussion he started, just because it didn't go his way. Disgusting.
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articles doesn't have all of the related pages on their watchlist is laughable to say the least. And no, it's not "good manners" to place an obviously non-neutral message on ten or so editors pages of this AfD, it's
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Tien should be deleted because nobody who doesn't live in Japan really cares about him. And people only like him because he beat Goku in the tournament, but that was only because Goku got hit by a car.
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This character was a major villain and major character later on. Reliable sources could be found if one wants to find them. I will try do something on it, although some users are trying to stop it.
520:. There has been no notability asserted, and if it was easy to find, then we wouldn't be having this discussion. And your comment about the merge is nonsense, as the material would be merged into
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disappear. Sorry, but that won't happen, and it doesn't matter how soon or late the AFD started, either. There is no "due process," if there is some question as to whether or not the article has
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Dragon Ball articles in general had their chance to demonstrate notability, other than the obvious characters (Goku et al.) none of them really have. And DBZFAN88 needs to stop posting nonsense.
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to see if anyone has either book, though, to see if the information can actually be confirmed. If there isn't an answer within 24 hours, the local university library has the
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doubt sources could be found, especially by those who have better access to Japanese sources? A merge makes no sense, especially as information can't be added to a redirect!
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mentioned by JJJ999m, sufficiently demonstrate notability. If these, or sources like them, had given been before the vitrol, this would have been a much politer discussion. —
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most characters as it mostly just gives a short summary of their role in a series and often with mistakes. It rarely says "why" they are a top character. I've
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and Tien Shinhan is NOT mentioned on pages 60 and 61. Those pages discuss the attitude of sex in manga and then moves into talking about a monk from
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Reliable sources have been given, you guys continue to ignore it and clamour for a merge because you're determined to kill it against all evidence.
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issue with those sources that swayed me. Retracting my !vote till this gets sorted out. If verification fails, I'll return to my original merge. —
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1660:3. Have a nice day
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