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also significant coverage and not a cookbook. I don't know what you are calling my "first source." Cite #3 has a tuna melt at the top of the page but scroll down to Brenda's Tuna sandwich. The sources show that major newspapers have called it a "quintessential" sandwich and the "staple" of the office lunch. Other sources I did not include covers numerous people being killed by tunafish sandwiches; if it were human, it would be a notable serial killer! Other sources discuss the problem of mercury in the tuna content, and the high fat content. Inn other words, there are sources to say something encyclopedic about it from multiple reliable sources.
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tuna fish gourmet(1994," pages vii-x, says that millions of Americans consume one or two tuna fish sandwiches a week, not including tuna melts or tuna salad plates. Seaman says "For many of us, tuna fish is also the stuff of cozy childhood memories.." "The same tuna sandwich, embellished with chopped vegetables, fresh herbs, capers, olives, roasted peppers and the like, is still a staple in most of our adult diets." Not all sandwiches are notable by Knowledge (XXG)'s standard, but this one is.
372:. I don't feel the topic is encyclopedic and it deserves nothing more than a dictionary entry. I don't care how many books it gets mentioned in or news articles someone uses the term in. Of course you can find it, the thing is a common term. Number of mentions isn't what makes something notable. I don't see the notability. If you have any more comments on how you view me, take it to my userpage. 488: 150:
topics, from the 2nd sentence. Citing StarKist and sentences like "Large chain sub shops such as Subway, Quiznos, and Blimpie often feature tuna subs as a daily deal or featured sub" make it sound like an advertisement. Most if not all nutritional information pertains to food chains in the US, not anywhere else.
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There are several reasons why I feel this article should be deleted. First of all - and most importantly - there are no reliable sources. I have looked for them for nearly half an hour, and can't find any specifically on the tuna sandwich. Secondly, the lead section veers into tuna, not tuna sandwich
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in "James Beard’s American Cookery" (1972) (Little, Brown), page 811 saying ""Canned flaked tuna is without doubt one of the all-time favorites as a sandwich spread." He then discusses the desirable proportions of celery and mayo, and the possibility of chopped egg and onion. Tracy Seaman in "The
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The New York Times articles are not cookbooks, nor is the Daily Mail. And I did not present an exhaustive sampling of the coverage of this sandwich over the last 70 years. And significant coverage in a cook book is still significant coverage, and evidence of notability. The Daily Mail article is
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needs filling and this article deserves a place. It needs cleaning up and the crusty bits trimmed. The BBC ref supports the article's claim regarding concerns about the diminishing stocks and that at least one notable sandwich supplier is notably switching to a sustainable source for their tuna
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describes a tuna melt - an entirely different culinary delight - which is not even a sandwich, but tuna on toast. The BBC article is about the rarity of tuna itself, not tuna sandwiches. If it was about the rarit yof the sandwiches, I could understand. As it stands, this article patently does not
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standard of what deserves a standalone article, and could be equally applied to anything else someone didn't like. The article is not a directory entry and is not a how-to. The sources available at Google Books and Google news are sufficient to support a proper encyclopedia article.
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The "quintessential" and "staple" quotes should serve as an assertion of notability. I will add them shortly. The other cites will be available in the AFD history for anyone to work into the article. It does not have to be complete and perfected to survive
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That said, the final source isn't bad, even if it is from a Malaysian Oil worker and part time journalist, not a chef. Can we get another few like that? A foreign language paper with a circulation of 300,000 isn't amazing, but it's OKish.
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in my mind, so keep, but give a good cleanup. I suspect the article is more likely to be kept if the Original research/uncited material is removed and less emphasis was given to its inclusion in cookbooks and sandwich chain menus.
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Your first source points to Tuna Nicoise, pickle-tuna sandwiches, etc. The final three are cookbooks, and the second and third are only trivial mentions. What we need is two sources from the Daily Mail etc describing
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in 1985 called it the "quintessential tuna fish sandwich" and covers it far beyond giving a recipe. This is a famous and highly notable sandwich, not just a random combination of ingredients. See
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A common food item, with plenty of references to verify that for any disbelievers out there. I use to eat it constantly, before the mercury content made me go numb.
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via significant coverage in multiple reliable and independent sources. It has been at least mentioned in 31000 news stories from 1930 to the present alone
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and those already in the article, there's probably enough material to make a tasty featured article if one was so inclined. Yum!
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Finally, the one reliable source - that Tuna Fish Sandwiches have appeared on the food network - is fallacious, as
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a
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Could we add them to the article so that it actually asserts notability? At the moment, it doesn't.
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/emeril-lagasse/kicked-up-tuna-melt-recipe/index.html
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Interesting one! At first when I read the article I thought it was a rather clever
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says it has been "the staple of the snatched office lunch for a generation." The
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per FeydHuxtable. Obviously notable, plenty of sources.
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