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1055:, which states, "Interest in a topic becomes vested when the source (... the publisher, etc.) develops any financial or legal relationship to the topic." By our own standards, if we rule that books by Brigham Young University Press cannot be used as sources for LDS-relate dtopice, we must also rule that no book by Manchester University Press can be used to source books on the government of the U.K. , and similarly with all other University Presses with financial or legal relationships to government sponsored universities. 622:, vol. 36, no. 4, 2010, pp. 18–40. JSTOR, JSTOR, . is a close examination of Kikuchi's leadership in Japan, it is highly critical of what Numano describes as a competition among regions to win converted, which Nuamo describes as having negative consequences. I do not pretend to have read all of these books, and I red only some of this article. But it sure looks to me as though subject meets 1018:. The Univerisity of Manchester is a public university. Is it a reliable source for books about British politicians? The British government? British political history? to me, it looks as though editors are setting up standards for the Mormon Church that are not applied by Knowledge for books about other institutions published by university presses that those institutions control. 708:: "The official church auspices were indicated by the keynote speaker, Elder Yoshihiko Kikuchi of the Seventy, a Japanese national. Incongruous as that may seem in a black LDS American gathering, Elder Kikuchi's remarks were very well received as sensitive and supportive." I reiterate: It continues to fail 1036:
One easy test of independence is whether or not the press publishes books that are critical of the parent organization. I would expect to see books from the presses you name that are critical of the government or of politicians. So a question (probably for RS Talk rather than an AfD on one person) is
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is automatically notable, like a top league sports player, that would be a different story. The general authority article itself a bit weak on sourcing, using many primary sources, with the Mormon Encyclopedia also doing heavy sourcing duty. Unless consensus is that being general authority itself is
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excluding BYU Press books from being reliable sources because of the ownership of the university ignores the fact that BYU press seeks to be a reliable scholarly publication and publish scholarly works. Its ownership structure does not disqualify it from being a signifcant reliable secondary source
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in Regional Studies in Latter-day Saint history: The Pacific Isles, edited by Reid L. Neilson, a very respected historian, although it is not a long mention. On the whole this adds up to notability, and I am not convined that we would not find more if we had adequate access to 1970s newspapers from
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Kikuchi rates mention in The Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint Church History, which is seletive in only including articles on General Authorities the editors felt were important enough to cover, it does not include articles on all general authorities. The Mauss and Bringhurst sources add two
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providing contextualized analysis of his call as a general authority. He also is mentioned in R. Lanier Britsch's history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Asia, although I could not say how substantially. He gets mention here
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a RS for books about the government of Japan? What about Manchester University Press? It is housed within the university (always in one of the university's treasured, historic buildings,) it is
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any more than the ownership structure of Catholic University of America or the University of Notre Dame disqualifies all publications of their university presses from being reliable sources.
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As a tax-exempt religious organization, the LDS Church avoids directly owning for-profit ventures, because this would threaten its tax-exempt status, so it uses the church-owned
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More sclolarly sourcing appears to be available in gScholar with keywords (there is a notable scientist with the same name.) I searched ""Yoshihiko Kikuchi" + LDS
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That Neilson reference looks odd. I think it's the title from the BYU Press 2006 edited volume but the publication info from
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whether or not BYU Press or Deseret or whatever publishes books that are critical of the church.
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as a holding and management company to own and manage for-profit ventures, one of which is the
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The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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independent sources that provide significant coverage are required, not just one. Below is a
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's
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for example, Numano, Jiro. “Hasty Baptisms in Japan: The Early 1980s in the LDS Church.”
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That is not how primary source is defined. You confuse publication with creation issues.
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shows statements by Kikuchi being engaged with in a scholarly, indepdent setting.
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not published by the University of Utah Press as stated above in the discussion
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Numano, Jiro. “Hasty Baptisms in Japan: The Early 1980s in the LDS Church.”
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has had very limited distribution, thus a limited readership, according to
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All Abraham's Children: Changing Mormon Conceptions of Race and Lineage,
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All Abraham's Children: Changing Mormon Conceptions of Race and Lineage
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scholarly sources that mention Kikuchi. This link to a Dialogue entry
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is wholly owned by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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enough for a notability pass, this has to be a delete based on
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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I cannot access this source to assess the depth of coverage
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Irrelevant. (not to mention highly subjective. Look at
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Early Mormon Missionary Activities in Japan, 1901-1924
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The Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint Church History
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