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622:, vol. 36, no. 4, 2010, pp. 18–40. JSTOR, JSTOR, . is a close examination of Kikuchi's leadership in Japan, it is highly critical of what Numano describes as a competition among regions to win converted, which Nuamo describes as having negative consequences. I do not pretend to have read all of these books, and I red only some of this article. But it sure looks to me as though subject meets
1018:. The Univerisity of Manchester is a public university. Is it a reliable source for books about British politicians? The British government? British political history? to me, it looks as though editors are setting up standards for the Mormon Church that are not applied by Knowledge for books about other institutions published by university presses that those institutions control.
708:: "The official church auspices were indicated by the keynote speaker, Elder Yoshihiko Kikuchi of the Seventy, a Japanese national. Incongruous as that may seem in a black LDS American gathering, Elder Kikuchi's remarks were very well received as sensitive and supportive." I reiterate: It continues to fail
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One easy test of independence is whether or not the press publishes books that are critical of the parent organization. I would expect to see books from the presses you name that are critical of the government or of politicians. So a question (probably for RS Talk rather than an AfD on one person) is
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Encyclopedia also doing heavy sourcing duty. Unless consensus is that being general authority itself is
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Regional Studies in Latter-day Saint history: The Pacific Isles, edited by Reid L. Neilson, a very respected historian, although it is not a long mention. On the whole this adds up to notability, and I am not convined that we would not find more if we had adequate access to 1970s newspapers from
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Encyclopedia of Latter-day Saint Church History, which is seletive in only including articles on General Authorities the editors felt were important enough to cover, it does not include articles on all general authorities. The Mauss and Bringhurst sources add two
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980:- besides the Deseret story about the temple in Japan, where Kikuchi's birthplace is mentioned, there's virtually no biographical coverage of him in current or a Google search that I can find. I did find a lawsuit against the church that he was part of, albeit in a minor role.
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Britsch's history of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints in Asia, although I could not say how substantially. He gets mention here
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Catholic University of America or the University of Notre Dame disqualifies all publications of their university presses from being reliable sources.
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All Abraham's Children: Changing Mormon Conceptions of Race and Lineage,
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scholarly sources that mention Kikuchi. This link to a Dialogue entry
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