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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Preseli & South Pembrokeshire are two defunct district councils that were combined to Pembrokeshire when Dyfed was broken up. Althaugh the Countryside Council for Wales, who designate SSSIs, uses old districts I propose to move it to just Pembrokeshire as that would be in line all the other subcategories of Pembrokeshire as the category includes both former districts anyway. see talkpageAgathoclea 23:48, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:36, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Official website, album covers, etc. all omit the space between "W." and K." Dylan 22:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 14:34, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Proposal is to merge Category:Australian plants into Category:Flora of Australia. These categories have essentially duplicate scopes, and flora is the term used for plants for Knowledge (XXG) categories, as per Category:Flora by country. Kurieeto 22:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 07:54, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

transfer from PROD. Prod does not and should not handle categories - 132.205.45.148 22:26, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

There is already a category for this: Category:Television_meteorologists; This page was probably a typo, and then ignored.
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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 14:30, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

Biota is the flora, fauna, and any other life of a region. Category:Flora and fauna of Hong Kong is a sub-cat of Category:Biota by country, but almost all other sub-cats of Category:Biota by country use the "Biota of x" wording. This renaming is proposed for reasons of consistency and clarity. Kurieeto 22:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:29, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

The names are almost synonymous. Schzmo 22:07, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Multiracial categories

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 14:25, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

These categories are POV and not useful. Everyone is multiracial and to illustrate this I found it on the article about Edward Furlong while working on classification of vegetarians, and the only evidence of his multiracial status is that he is in two categories for European hyphenated Americans. Chicheley 19:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was rename to Category:Warmian-Masurian Voivodeship --Kbdank71 14:18, 25 July 2006 (UTC)

To fit the naming scheme at Category:Voivodships of Poland.--Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus 19:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was rename. --RobertG ♬ talk 07:56, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This image category needs to indicate its purpose is so in its name. Kurieeto 18:55, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was rename to category:People murdered by the Mafia --Kbdank71 20:52, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Ambiguous. "High profile cases" can go into the Category:Assassinated Italian people or Category:Assassinated Italian politicians. Intangible 18:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Transport in South America

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 20:47, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - Latin American governments would appear to use “transportation” (e.g., Ministry of Transportation) as the neutral term (rather than “transport”.) Local entities such as Sociadad Poruaria also use “transportation” (e.g., Minister of Transportation) and probably know more about how English is used in their region than the Esperantist 20 year-old Czech ESL user of British English (Darwinek?--see profile) who proposed this rename vote. (If reference footnotes don’t work, the same information is available at the top of this linked page.) W.C. 03:25, 20 July 2006 (UTC)
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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 20:45, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Rename per consensus on WP:SHIPS about reorganization of Category:Ships by country. See below vote on Category:Royal Navy battlecruisers for more extensive description. If you vote against this proposed rename, please participate in discussion on WP:SHIPS to come up with a better proposal. TomTheHand 17:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 07:58, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This category has only just been created. It is much to vague. There are sufficient top level U.S categories already. There is a lot of overlap with Category:American society, which is a standard category. Sumahoy 15:38, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedians by time period

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 20:41, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

All Wikipedians are in the 2000s. I don't understand the point of this either. I'm a Wikipedian in the 2000s, and I could still be a Wikipedian in the 2010s and the 2020s (if the project lasts that long). --Schzmo 15:30, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Newspapers published in Canada

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 20:44, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The following are generally titled "Newspapers in region". I think these titles would benefit by being made more precise, with a suggested renaming to "Newspapers published in region".

--Kurieeto 15:14, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 20:38, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

See the below proposed deletion of Royal Navy battlecruisers for the reasons for this merge. TomTheHand 14:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 20:35, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

For the past several weeks we've been discussing a reorganization of the Category:Ships by country structure. Part of the plan is to categorize by country instead of by navy, so this category is made redundant by Category:Battlecruisers of the United Kingdom, which is fully organized according to the proposal (therefore there is no need for a merge, just a deletion. TomTheHand 13:34, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Please see discussion here or a summary of the proposal here if you are interested. See Category:Battlecruisers of the United Kingdom for an example category that has been put together according to the proposal. This has been in discussion for about three weeks on WP:SHIPS and I believe we have consensus there. TomTheHand 13:39, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Oh, one last thing. If you vote against this, it would be greatly appreciated if you could drop by WP:SHIPS and help us improve the proposal. I am aware of the disadvantages of naming these categories by country. However, we've discussed the disadvantages of naming by navy as well, and I believe naming by country is a better decision for reasons discussed on WP:SHIPS. TomTheHand 13:57, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Transport in Africa

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 20:25, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment - English language Knowledge (XXG) articles are written for a global Internet audience rather than for a local audience. As we can see from countless examples in British magazines and newspapers, British authors writing for a British audience don’t suddenly change to another variety of English when addressing North American issues after all. In the same sense, then, these Knowledge (XXG) articles need not switch varieties of English for every change in locale. The majority of the global Internet audience largely does not use British English. And this is can be seen for example by examining the government website of China for example. (Also, China’s literacy rate is over 90%, whereas the high population regions where the British variety can be found, that rate is 47% such as in Pakistan, meaning the latter's online readership is very likely to be comparatively much smaller.) The government of China's official site uses “theater” and not the British “theatre”, “center” and not “centre”. Even British newspapers like the Guardian use both nouns “transport” and “transportation” (i.e., “transportation system”). Some examples of "transportaion" from the British press include "...risks posed by the transportation of the weapons at 2.4 in a billion..." in Randerson's "Trident convoys carry risk of nuclear blast" (2006, July 6, in The Guardian), as well as "...the smooth transportation of 40,000 fans daily from Dublin..." in Donegan's "Ireland labours over Ryder Cup roadworks" (2006, July 8 in The Guardian). W.C. 18:53, 21 July 2006 (UTC)
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People by Chinese city

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The result of the debate was rename/merge as nominated --Kbdank71 20:14, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:01, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Merge into the standard category. Chicheley 10:49, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was merge as nominated --Kbdank71 20:11, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

We don't normally divide between past and present. Ministries change often, and unless you already have a detailed knowledge of Nigerian politics, in which case you don't need separate categories, there is no way of knowing whether or not the allocation of articles is up to date, rendering the split useless either way. Chicheley 10:21, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was delete. --RobertG ♬ talk 08:02, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

This is a category for a minor rapper. It has existed for over a month, and the only article it contains is the one about the rapper. --musicpvm 05:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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Wikipedians with an age

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The result of the debate was delete --Kbdank71 15:26, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

All of the subcategories of Category:Wikipedians with an age were deleted last month, leaving only the parent category and a joke subcategory. Delete them both to discourage recreation of this ill-advised series of categories. - EurekaLott 04:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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More demonyms

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The result of the debate was rename as nominated --Kbdank71 15:42, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

The following should be renamed per previous discussions.

--musicpvm 03:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

Against - There is a difference between people from a certain place and denizens. For instance, many of the Milwaukeeans may not have been born in the city but played a significant role in its development and had were likewise impacted by the community. Sulfur 03:52, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Also against - "People from X" place de-characterizes each city. --KHill-LTown 04:23, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment, all of these categories are in Category:People by American city so there is absolutely no reason they should be exceptions to the naming convention used by the 400 other subcategories. I don't see how somebody can significantly contribute to a city without having lived a portion of their life in the city. And if they have lived a portion of their life in a city (even if they were not born in it), it is not incorrect to say "People from". Some of these demonyms of the smaller cities are also extremely ambiguous. If you think every one of the subcategories in Category:People by American city should be renamed to ambiguous demonyms, then propose a mass renaming of all 463 categories, but it makes no sense for these 50 random categories to be inconsistent with the others. --musicpvm 04:44, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support. While Las Vegans is used, I never heard Newburghians in all of my years living up there. If Newarkers was used, it was not a term in common usage. So one wonders how valid some of these demonyms are. In any case, 'People from' always works and since most categories already use this I see no reason not to change to the more common form. One critical factor for an encylopedia is how it treats details in a consistant manner. Let's not lose sight of what this decision is a part of. Vegaswikian 04:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • What's with adding state name disambiguations to some of the category names? How many Schenectadies and Ypsilantis and Spokanes are there? - EurekaLott 05:02, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I don't mind removing the state from the three you mentioned, but I thought that without the state name, they would be amibiguous (not because there are other cities with the same name but because they are not major U.S. cities and most people may be unaware of where they are located). --musicpvm 05:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose - per Sulfur. -Nogood 05:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong support – most of these terms take me a second to figure out, and I am very familiar with U.S. geography. Nearly all of them also do not appear in their city's articles or anywhere else on Knowledge (XXG). I greatly prefer names that are instantly recognizable when browsing, and predictable, so that they can be found through search or by typing the URL directly. Ă—Meegs 09:08, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support all. Little Rockers. Haha. --*kate speak 09:15, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Support all per nom. Ease of use should be the first priority. Osomec 09:37, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename all So far as most non-locals are concerned most of these, when seen at the bottom of a category, could just as easily be a religious sect or a fraternal society as a place. Chicheley 09:54, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong support all: Per nom. Also, half of these don't even sound like words and sound unencyclopedic. Duluthans gets very few hits on Google. I live in Tampa and I've never heard the word Tampans in my life. —Wknight94 (talk) 10:43, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename all per nom. -- Darwinek 11:31, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename all per nom. I strongly support. User:Arual 13:50, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Rename all per nom. Kurieeto 13:56, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Strong Oppose. I'm opposed to renaming these friendly (and encyclopedic) names for residents of various cities to a sterile, mechanical version. If this passes, the Knowledge (XXG) will be striving toward becoming boring. —  Stevie is the man!  13:59, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose per Stevietheman. Long live the demonym!--M@rÄ“ino 14:25, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Due to the convention of using common names. However, wherever a denonym is used the People from Foo form should also exist as a category redirect. That way, non-local users can quickly find what they are looking for, even though they may be unfamilier with local terminology. -- ProveIt 14:40, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • No it doesn't. You're all only thinking about one set of circumstances - people typing the category name in the search box. I hardly ever type categories in the search box, but when I see a category on the bottom of an article I like to be sure what it means. Golfcam 01:40, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
Why must we make Wikipeda a sterile corporatized document just because a few people are too stupid to understand what people in communities call themselves? —  Stevie is the man!  15:45, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Comment. I already said I oppose this, but if this is ultimately approved, I would suggest that the demonyms, which are encyclopedic/notable in their own right, need to be referred to in text on the new "People from..." category pages. To remove the demonym categories without some accommodation would be a slap in the face of the people who live in these places. —  Stevie is the man!  16:03, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
Comment Stevietheman's suggestion sounds like it would be a good addition to the guidelines. I'd be happy to carry that idea across to Wikipedia_talk:Categorization_of_people if this batch of renaming gets a consensus.--Mereda 17:43, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
I third this; thanks to the number of less-than-straightforward demonyms, "People from X" seems a better kind of standard to adopt, but each "People from X" category should mention a corresponding demonym (and a redirect made from a category with that demonym as its name). David Kernow 14:25, 18 July 2006 (UTC)
Jumping in before this discussion closes and gets archived, I've put an idea for new guideline wording at Wikipedia_talk:Categorization_of_people#By_residence:_more_demonyms. --Mereda 11:43, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

"San Diegans" must stay in honor of "Anchorman."

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tax evaders

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The result of the debate was keep --Kbdank71 15:21, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

It only makes sense to have these categories when people are actually convicted for this. So I suggest renaming them to include that as such. Intangible 03:10, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

  • Oppose all -- all the criminal categories require convictions, including murderers. Just make a note on the category. --William Allen Simpson 03:24, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose all As a general rule the categories do not require convictions. It is anachronistic to emphasis due process as in most times and places precious little due process has occurred. It also ignores deaths before trial and the articles about unidentified criminals. As tax evasion is a matter between citizen and state, perhaps the concept of "unconvicted tax evader" is less meaningful than "unconvicted murderer", but the current form should remain for consistency. Osomec 09:41, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
    • I do not, however, support this explanation. That would allow someone to add "American tax evader" to every American Revolution patriot's bio.--M@rÄ“ino 14:28, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
      • That might upset Americans, but they were rebels, not the demigods American mythology (aka American history), makes them out to be, and they did evade taxes, which were little more than a token contribution towards the cost of their own defence. How can you be a patriot of a country that doesn't exist. Americans' were far too prone to get carried away with their own rhetoric then, and haven't improved in the slightest in that regard in the following 230 years. Twittenham 15:51, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Oppose Adding convicted makes it sound more like they are all guilty, but some of them might have been innocent anyway, like that Russian guy with the name that starts with K. Golfcam 16:29, 14 July 2006 (UTC)
  • Very Strong Oppose All Pointless. Unneeded. Creating a "Convicted" catagory will prompt the creation of an "Unconvicted" catagory for each country. Which is: Pointless. Unneeded. --Shortfuse 00:24, 16 July 2006 (UTC)
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unhyphenated-American

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:48, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

Speedy Rename -- There are 50 with hyphen and 46 without. The current by country standard is with hyphen for -Americans --William Allen Simpson 17:38, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was no consensus --Kbdank71 14:39, 24 July 2006 (UTC)

One-article category Stev0 07:35, 14 July 2006 (UTC)

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  1. Ministry of Foreign Relations. (2005, December 9). Lifesavers program launched with demobilized persons. In Sustainable economic growth and generation of employment. Retrieved on July 19, 2006. See "...The program, which was presented by the Ministry of Transportation...".
  2. Sociadad Poruaria de Santa Marta. (n.d.) The Minister of Transportation, Andrés Uriel Gallego inaugurated the coal dock of Carbosán Ltd.. In News section. Retrieved on July 19, 2006.

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