Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2009 May 26

4164:. If the material is of use, it should already be in the articles for the single. I don't believe that you can make a case that it is defining for a song to be notable for each and every list it tops. Maybe for the list that established it as a hit, but then that is POV. Then you have the issue of the validity of each list. Are rigid criteria used? All in all, much better to included this information in the article. Also, a mention in an article is not sufficient to include it in a category. How many of these categories are populated from a mention in a list in the article? How many more categories will be created for this reason? If this one is deleted, then we will need to bring the others forward for deletion review. 3901:

relevant stakeholders. To not want to have that discussion is to not want informed decision making or transparent decisions, which goes against the core principles on which Knowledge (XXG) is founded. I found about this one because of the tag, although tagging alone is not always sufficient to notify interested participants as not everyone will have it watchlisted or, like me in this case, accidentally happen upon it while looking up something unrelated (I was trying to fix some tags in my music collection, actually.)

2531:- I've rarely heard the term "brothel owner" used, whereas the term "brothel-keeper" is a very common one. Neither of these terms has its own article (Brothel-keeper is a redirect to pimp; Brothel owner is a redlink). It seems that there are 109 WP articles with the phrase "brothel owner", and 156 with either "brothel keeper" or "brothel-keeper". I suspect that this may be a US/UK English thing, either that or that both terms are used, but in either different places or with slight nuances of meaning. 4520:

stuff involving cops raiding people's homes and taking computers away - against past masters) and the same applies to the UK. Several European countries as well as NZ don't seem to be covered by this as their charting agencies don't seem to have any problem with reproduction of historic charts. If I was satisfied this wasn't an issue (and it may well not be - I'm not a copyright expert) I'd support a listify option for this. (I'm thinking back here to Nielsen

500:. Hard to distinguish what an artifact is, especially since the Knowledge (XXG) article on artifacts was redirected somewhere else. There are magical items and lists of items/objects that are categorized as "Fictional objects", and some others as "Fictional artifacts". Most of the articles in this category are weapons and books from Marvel and DC comics, thus they should be categorized as Fictional weapons/books/objects in comics. -- 3838:, number-one singles categories are much better off as lists, just as albums are. Lists for most of these already exist and in many in excellent detail. This is more of a consistency issue than anything as there is no need for one set of categories to exist and not the other (i.e songs and albums). Lists, in these cases, are much more useful than categories per previous discussions. 2354:-- I see no objection to renaming the present categories by inserting the word "British" and removing "UK". Education has been combined with various other roles in recent times, but I would suggest that this be retained, holders of the Education portfolio having this category, even though it is only part of their role. The employment portfolio also has had a long history. 4488:

or Canadian or New Zealand or various European countries' number ones are actually fairly unique. Hocus Pocus's "Here's Johnny", for instance, a 6-week number one in Australia from a Dutch underground techno producer, didn't even chart in the UK or much of Europe. Some of the NZ and UK ones are genuinely hilarious, it is more a case of WTF that they got to No.1 at all. (

4133:. I still think "number-one albums" and "number-one singles" should be treated consistently. Either categorize them both by country in a similar manner or don't categorize any of them. It suggests more importance being given to songs over albums. Please read the reasons for the deletion of the number-one albums CFDs linked above. -- 1404:- categorizing TV series on the basis of the stations to which they are syndicated is per a number of precedents overcategorization because the same program can be syndicated to any number of stations, which would lead to enormous category clutter. This should be renamed and restricted to those shows which are original to Teletoon. 2508:. I'm not sure that classification by nationality is right in this case since it appears that these categories are based on where the brothel is located rather then the nationality of the owner. If so, the name of those subcategories is not correct and the American one would need to be upmerged also. 4564:

I've asked the Foundation's counsel who has replied that the copyright issue in this case is unlikely to apply. (I'd imagine it could be different if we are reproducing the entire list in one place rather than simply the no.1's.) If noone has any serious objections I'll make a list and see how we go.

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You followed instructions correctly. So few bother to read the instructions. Sorry that we didn't all pitch in, although folks are busy, and it probably would have muddied the issue. Let's just concentrate on this one, ignoring the comments that there are still others remaining, and see whether there

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At least it should be easy. All of those after 26 June 1988 are ARIA, all of those before are Kent Music Report (while they coexisted for 15 years thereafter, there was relatively little difference between them - theoretically possible to have a KMR/AMR #1 which wasn't an ARIA #1, but it was rare and

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I apologize for CfRing this a second time: but I realize I made a key mistake by not doing away with the superlative "best." It's something we've done in all other renames -- with the exception of the just renamed Award for best film, where you really can't avoid it -- since, as previously noted, not

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I agree re Bleeding Love, and I'd argue that I Will Always Love You, (Everything I Do) I Do It For You (with whatever the correct capitalisation is) etc would also do so. There are probably a dozen of those. However these songs are exceptional cases and the great majority of, for example, Australian

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At the end of the day that actually reflects an industry and public view. After all we don't remember when the Bodyguard soundtrack hit number 1 but everyone remembers when I Will Always Love You did so on the singles chart in their part of the world. That being said the two reports as noted covered

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Hmm… should it then be renamed to something like "Tracking category for Template:Hidden"? That would at least hint that there's nothing for the average editor to worry about. Also you could re-use it if other issues arise. The current title is confusing as it implies that pages belonging to it are

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The only issue *might* be copyright if we put it all in one place under a list. There are good reasons why the archived Australian charts cannot be found online at any source (there are ways and there are ways *hint* usenet search *end hint* but ARIA has taken action - including some quite extreme

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redundant to the higher category. I'm not sure about the consistency argument raised by Ten Pound Hammer as there seem to be a fair few "Number-one singles in..." categories, but I'm not opposed to the rename as it is technically more correct (there was for quite a long time two music reporters in

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Very simple actually. None of the other ones were tagged. Therefore those who deal with the others would have no way of knowing this CfD is taking place or participating in it. In effect, it is a reasonable expectation (although has not always been the practice) to have an informed discussion with

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I started this nomination thinking that I would make no firm I make no recommendation, and that the purpose of this nomination is to ask whether categorisation-by-ministry is actually a good idea in these cases ... but the more I look at it the more I think these categories are a Bad Thing; . I am

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Oh and in answer to Kbdank, the reason a list would be different to a category in that sense is that the category is a scattering of miscellaneous information whereas a list is presented in a sorted, processed way which ARIA may feel only its subscribers (for A$ 220 / US$ 176 per annum :|) should

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Although there is some commonality between the Australian charts and those in other countries, there are quite a few songs (including many overseas-produced ones) which only ever reach No.1 in this country. If it's notable enough that Billboard Number Ones should be here, I don't see why the ARIA

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The validity of the list derives from its use of No.1's from the country's official record industry association's chart. It's a published list which comes out every week and there is only one of them (well, two - singles and albums). The list is accepted as an authoritative source through its use

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In the last two decades, there has been an acceleration of the long-standing process of restructuring ministries. The old department of employment dealt with workplace regulation, labour exchanges/unemployment, and training, but the dept has been abolished and those functions now all belong in to

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category, but to show that the category was a project category clearly on its name, since several project categories could be confused with article categories, so all project categories should be easily distinguished so as not to have someone accidentally categorize things, and have a consistent

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And there is still vagueness in the category, that's why Artifact in fantasy has been merged into Magic item. Artifacts in archaeology are different, and it seems that most of the objects in the "Fictional artifacts" category have little to do with archaeological artifacts. What is the inclusion

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While that may apply to this list, what about all of the others? This also does not affect the point about everyone of these being defining. If a single reaches number 1 status in 100 countries, should we then include it in 100 categories? The discussion needs to be more about the overall

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I'm not quite sure I follow that logic. It seems to read as "Since the articles are already in sibling categories, this category is redundant and deletable even though it and the sibs are not covering the same subsections of the parent." Or is it "If found that the discrete grouping is

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Furthermore, I think that the Billboard ones should at least be kept, as Billboard has a huge number of genre charts, unlike most other countries. Also, I know that there is no corresponding list for the AC number-ones. In addition, categories and lists are not mutually exclusive.

2504:. In the US being called an owner is more common, at least in current usage. If this rename looks like it will gain consensus, I'll nominate all of the sub categories for upmerge to the parent, with the possible exception of the American one would would need a rename, maybe to 765:. I find the delete opinions convincing. The upmerge would clearly double list many of these in one category tree. While a delete may cause problems for categorization of some articles, I'm not convinced that the problems rise to the point that we need to do an upmerge. 4316:

Who is the target for this? Can you imagine a person in 50 years time clicking in this category -- alphabetically, so an unrelated ordering -- to see a huge collection of all items that happened to be popular in all the years since their grandparents were children? By

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not persuaded that they are anywhere as useful for navigation as they might appear, and I worry that a growth in the number of these categories will lead to category clutter in the articles on politicians, who always seem to be at risk of proliferating categories.

383:- but it may need some sorting. It should contain Bengalis living before partition. People of West Bengali descent might possibly gave a separate category. However it is only certain Indian states from which there has been large scale immigration to Britain. 4345:

Chart and its predecessors (or those from other countries with recognised official charts representing significant buying populations) should be treated any differently. Also I don't see several of your points given that all of the entries, without fail, meet

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I really don't like the use of parentheticals unless there is no other reasonable option. If "screenwriting" is preferred, then "Awards for film screenwriting" or "Screenwriting awards for film" and the corresponding construction for television would work.

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The reason for starting some of these categories with "Knowledge (XXG)" was to make it clear that they ere not part of the project (in the sense of the 'Pedia proper) - now that maintenance cats are hidden, on articles at least, this reason has vanished.

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Note to closing admin - Since only the Australian one was tagged, any attempt to make a "specific case" that Australia is unique or should await bulk nomination of all such categories is invalid. The decision should be on its merits, not by gaming the

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Knowledge (XXG) pages for discussion? As opposed to what, discussing pages on some other site? Adding Knowledge (XXG) to the name makes it sound like it's for pages in the project namespace. Let's not make this more complicated than it needs to be. -

2869:— obviously having the word "deletion" in it. I am unaware of the "moving" of any categories that would support your previous position. Never-the-less, I'm pleased that you now have a more accurate understanding of the discussion process and projects. 2021:. This change would bring the name into line with the standard WPMILHIST convention, harmonise the category with the partner Russian category, and mean that all the infantry divisions, the vast majority, did not need to be moved to a new category. 3697:

Agree category will not be populated. Such specific gameplay elements are unlikely to achieve the notability required to have a separate page on Knowledge (XXG). Even if a few do, I don't think the number would justify a separate category.

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Note to closing admin - Only the Australian one was tagged, so any attempt to make a "general case" from this nomination for all articles in this category is invalid as the instructions at CFD "Procedure - II" have not been followed.

883:. If there was an exception given for the United States, then the same exception should be given to the Philippines which is an Anglophone country patterned after American English. We use the term "power plants" overwhelmingly here. 4455:- on the balance of the arguments for and against - there is the uniqueness of the Australian context as brought out by info provided by Orderinchaos that would suggest a rationale for keep is as strong as that of the delete case 2263:. If we really set about categorising ministers by their responsibilities, we will end up with an almighty kaleidescope of categories, with each department multiply parented. If we don't do that, we end up with dead ends, like 2827:

Your count is incorrect and irrelevant. The proposed name also has the word "deletion" in it. The only question is: should the name reflect the wider universe of possibilities? A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little

4843:, it's not supposed to be a permanent feature: once all its members have been corrected, it can and should be deleted. As such, I think renaming it is a bit pointless; better to spend the time working on fixing its members. 4097:

probably not notable when it did). I just looked at the contents of the category. How to determine which songs are which years though... I mean I could recognise a bunch on sight but that probably won't help the bot owner :P

4026:, was recently kept per CFD as well. I should also point out that the album category on May 12 was only deleted because it had been deleted before and nobody could come up with a decent keep rationale in the AFD. If kept, 2393:

although likewise support rename, for reasons very similar to Peter's. It doesn't actually matter that the position and department are occasionally called additional things - we have the same situation here in Australia.

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If a group of similar categories or a category and its subcategories, use an umbrella nomination (each category must be tagged, for nominations involving large numbers of categories tagging help can be requested at the

2500:. The introduction has to explain that this is for people that own brothels so why not use a name that reflects the criteria that is used to determine who should be included? The only subcategory of significance is 4747:

What this is ain't exactly clear, but perhaps it should be renamed to reflect that purpose. Interestingly I didn't see any templates in this category, just a few articles and a whole passel of "fair use" images. —

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The fact is that Number-one singles in Australia is the only listed entry, and not one of the other ones has been tagged in any way. If you were hoping to sneak this one through, this is not the way to do it.

2222: 1624:- the ones I looked at contained either (1) 1 or more ATC codes; (2) the word 'none'; (3) were empty or had '?'. I'm not sure that any of the above wordings quite cover (3). 'unspecified ATC code field'? 4310:

Going back to the beginning of the ratings, that's several million transitory events. Can you find the top 1 song in the 30th week in the US in the '70s in a category? (Maybe, but it would take hours of

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All of these posts in the three nominated categories are now defunct, their responsibilities having gone on a merry-go-round through shifting departments. The environmental responsibilities moved from

2306:, so it's actually categorisation by ministry and nationality, which seems a sensible method. If not, then a double-upmerger would be required, and the rest of the structure would be need looking at. 2226: 2278:, et al) and if we categorise by post we will generate huge category clutter. Much better to just categorise by rank, which wil;l leave one category for politicians who reach Sec-of-state level. -- 1167:- even though the possibility for confusion is slight "film writing awards" could mean "awards for writing about film" so might as well be as clear as possible as long as the change is being made. 2548:

Conversely if you check with google, "brothel-keeper" with or without the dash returns 28,000 hits and "brothel owner" returns 121,000 hits. So clearly one is more common. Also the presence of

1099:, if successful. The reason I'm not proposing simply Screenwriting awards is, of course, the need to distinguish from TV work. And Film screenwriting awards sounded repetitive, at least to me. 2791:

Although it's not obvious from the name, this includes merging and renaming, too. Should a more cumbersome name be adopted for the literalistas among us? (That hasn't happened for AfD or TfD.)

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This is intended to be an umbrella nomination of all number-one singles by country categories and not a singling out of the Australian number-one singles category (as mentioned above). --

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listed are surnames of 'tribes' or extended families that (have) migrated to Pakistan. I m not sure about what exactly to rename to, but as it is, the name is not at all clear. Perhaps

4478:, and if our friends from down under want to keep the Australia category as is, I'm ok with upmerging the others and letting this one be the odd man out. Or a list would be good too. -- 4631:(which as noted, just links you to a "scattering of miscellaneous information") at the bottom of the article. If desired, we can add a "see also" section that links to the #1s list. -- 4286: 2203:

For navigation, I think that the categories are un-necessary. There are already lists of these office-holders, as well as (in most cases) succession boxes on the biographical articles.

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Even when a British government departments continues to exist, as various directorates or lower-level units are moved to other departments; broadcasting, for example, was part of the

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Please don't make specious assertions without references to actual policy and guidelines. The watchlist defines the stakeholders. Tagging is the only method of notification required.

866: 3835: 42: 37: 2242: 1906: 3831: 880: 1569:. The proposed name is gramatically more correct. I propose the plural form ("ATC codes") to reflect that drugs can be assigned more that one ATC code. An alternative would be 1884: 4615:, for example, shows, week by week, the song, artist, and album. It's very helpful in showing if a song was number 1 for multiple weeks. And the three articles I checked, 4211:(Pop, R&B, Country, AC, Rock, Alt. rock, dance, and so on). My intent was definitely not to single out the Australian category, but to umbrella all number-one albums in 3307: 1271:

Screenwriting, and I do think there's a value and clarity in calling it so, now that you've suggested a simple way to do it. Otto, if you're reading this, would you agree?

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Then all lists of magical objects/items as well as others like Flying carpet currently categorized in Fictional objects must be categorized under Fictional artifacts? --

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any notable awards for writing about film; if there aren't, then the point mentioned above isn't a problem. If there are... perhaps a better name can still be found.

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That is a good point. I'm curious, though, if a list is indeed verboten by copyright law, wouldn't a category be as well? I'm not an expert, so I don't know. --

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I was under the impression that the parent category is Fictional objects and the more appropiate categories are the already existing "DC/Marvel Comics objects". --

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Although this nominated country is only adding 50+ per year, collectively this is potentially adding 1,500 apparently random article titles by name every year.

2044:; no reason to make this different. If there are non-infantry Soviet divisions from World War II, they need to be added to this category to make it complete. 1421:

That will make the category bare or less filled. We could follow the list of shows broadcast by Food Network Canada to have all shows broadcast by Teletoon.

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would be an object of great power and/or a mystic construct that fits the mundane term. The implied focus since the term redirects to the full article is

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Sure but hardly anyone seeing the category at the bottom of the article will understand what it means or how to fix it, so good luck getting any help. —

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is a mess, it's not helpful, and it's not defining (not for every country, no). I'd be ok with upmerging all of these categories to something like

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standard operating procedure, but Anatomical Theraputiwhatever etc etc, is a very long expansion. One click will tell you what it stands for.)

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Sorry about the delay in completing this. But as per my expanded nom, the simple solution to the double-upmerger issue is to place the list at

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questions raised and not about this specific list. The problem is not this one classification in general, but an entire group of categories.

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would be fine with me. I don't have strong feeling about this name, so if someone has another idea, I am certainly open to it. Thanks again

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My count was correct until you started moving categories. And the proposed name now includes "deletion" since you changed your proposal.

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Okay, then they should be split like the Canadian ones. Kent Music Report number-one singles and ARIA Singles Chart number-one singles.

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which includes no UK environment ministers since 1997, just the point at which the environmnet began to move up the scale of priorities.

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both singles and albums, so a similar split could be attempted with the albums at the same date (26 June 1988) from the same sources.

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Certainly defining. The Bangladeshi cat should be a sub-cat of this (as it is), but people should not be in both, once it is kept.

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The template doc itself doesn't say that that these are deperected parameters, moreover it doesn't document the replacement ones.

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templates which are hidden and… "use styles". If you meant for it to only include templates you ought to do a namespace check. —

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which is in about 12 of them. This is unless someone can think of a non-XXX-centric way of limiting these to a 'a few' per song.

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That's a good argument to why none of the others should be deleted, but not why this one in particular cannot run its course. --

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If there is a name that avoids parenthetical disambiguation, that is the first choice. But that does not mean we never use it.

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to hold the deletion discussion subcategories. Over time, several of those subcategories have been renamed to "discussion".

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in order to oppose the censorship and rampant deletion of these valid and factual categories related to ethnicity/race. --

4627:, all have extensive sections on charts and peak positions, which in itself gives much more information than the link to 2302:

Nomination seems to have stalled, so I'll make a comment if I may... I'd point out that these are also sub-categories of

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Actually, I never thought of the idea of using parentheses. Isn't it frowned on? Because an even shorter route would be

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Mere reaching the top 100 or even the top 1 for a week is a transitory state, and has no meaning without context.

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after all. Considering there are a lot more Bengalis than Scots in the world, this is probably not the branch of

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categories and their sub-categories, except the useful categorization of "Lists of number-one songs by country".

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be better though? As we are not interested in whoowns the building, but the business, if one may call it that.

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Gotcha. I think I agree, then, since it's just the #1s, we probably won't have a problem. And the lists at

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is; and the category page links to this article anyway, so it isn't too difficult for readers to find out. --

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Actually I might generate a list of 1988-2002 (which I have the figures for) and dump it in my userspace.

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Knowledge (XXG):Naming conventions (categories)#Special conventions for Knowledge (XXG)-related categories

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I'm not trying to sneak anything through. The fact is I did exactly as instructed per the CFD procedure:

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Since there are at least 45 of these categories, I added my request to the talk page, which can be seen

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It genuinely scares me how often I find the two of us on the same side of a debate these days. :)

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both by all Australian media, including a weekly chart show on the radio and, for many years, the

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There is a very long standing precedent of categorizing singles by Number One on chart, such as

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Well, I must say I do prefer that. I was never crazy about my awkward phrasing. The activity is

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be moved, and this seems to be the one that would be acceptable to most of the editors. --

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to maintain the consistent format of Fooian World War II divisions in the parent category.

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may be a copyright violation as it shows the chart positions of an entire chart. I tagged

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do a very nice job of presenting the information. Before anyone accuses me of violating

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the category to just original programs, but listify the other articles in the category.

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Simply a more correct name - although the discussion is always focused around deletion.

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OK, I've re-added the original proposed change. Pick one. Robofish seemed correct by

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It's not a copy of the published list, so I'm guessing it's not. On the other hand,

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show on ABC in the mornings (which I used to follow faithfully once upon a time).

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or listify - this sort of category has been established to be overcategorisation.

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INdeed. When the policy was written there were no hidden cats and it made sense.

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but support rename to the form "British Sec of St for ..." (as I said before).

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to something else in case this makes the renaming easier. Just brainstorming. --

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criteria then?? Power of the object?? Its uniqueness?? That it is magical?? --

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As evidence, check out the following Google News searches in the Philippines

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for listing TV stations near particular cities compiled from their reports)

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