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defines as "Abuse refers to the use or treatment of something (a person, item, substance, concept, or vocabulary) that is harmful." So if I confuse "their" "there" and "they're" I'm an abuser - or is it harmful? And many things few consider "abuse" fit the definition: incarceration of the guilty,
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what's "sexual abuse" is purely subjective. Arranged marriages? abuse? Divorce? abuse? Plural marriages? abuse? A 17-year-old having sex with an 18-year old ? abuse? I've even heard circumcision, prostitution, abortion, lack of availability of sex education and contraceptives classed as "sexual
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subjective, and I think, too broad for what we're trying to capture. That said, it's a better name than "Sex victim advocacy", even if cumbersome. (I did like the "Rape victim advocacy" (or anything as specific) suggestion as it is more objective, there wasn't consensus for it)
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That's why I didn't have a "support" or "oppose", because I believe that the cat should match the article, but I also believe that the article is mis-named. Let's see what editors there say when I propose moving the article. If I survive, I'll report back. :-)
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works just fine and we know what we are talking about: people who are victims of "rape" as such is defined in the statutory laws of the place concerned; "abuse" is a cobbling together of unlikes that someone synthesizes are alike enough for him/her:
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It seems to be nothing more than a mostly-empty container for a subcat and two articles that could very easily fit into "Category:Social class by country". Social class by country should be moved up and placed into Category:Sociology directly.
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doesn't make it clear which artists would qualify as "Texas music" artists. Do they just have to be from Texas? Do they have to be country, Americana, etc.? Do they have to have a certain style? "Music of Texas" doesn't make it clear.
1607:- It looks like you managed to jump on this before it was even populated. Or perhaps it was never going to be populated. Seeing as it was created by a very new editor, I suspect s/he may have had something else in mind. 703:"their ethnicity is not what distinguishes them"?? I suspect that will come as news to the people in question. That remark would be hysterically funny if it wasn't so pathetically and tragically absurd. Seriously, 223:. Better to include all types of settlements. In Oregon, "city" is the term for a municipally incorporated settlement, but there are many in this cat that were never "cities". Also better matches parent cat, 836:
to match the article. I note that nobody replied to Carlos' suggestion of renaming the article to match "Herceg-Bosna". If consensus appears there for that change, this can be renamed back just as easily.
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honking your horn in traffic, giving time-outs to your children, killing animals to eat them, deforestation, driving on fossil fuels, etc. These "abuse" categories need an overhaul and let's start here.
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Oh, I see. It would have been helpful to mention that in your nominating statement. In any event, I tend to agree that the category is too narrow in scope, especially seeing as we don't even have a
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the accepted adjective form of 'Bosnia and Herzegovina' on wikipedia has become 'Bosnia and Herzegovina' and not 'Bosnian' (and there have been ethnic 'Bosniaks', Croats, and Serbs all resident to
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per nom. This case is an exception, I think, as Peter points out. We normally wouldn't class convicted criminals by ethnicity within a nationality, but the ethnicity of the people,
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Using ghits as a guide to what the more common English name of the place is "Herzeg Bosna" seems to outpoll "Herzeg Bosnia" about 4:1 among English webpages catalogued at Google.
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I think whoever went and tried to create a "sexual abuse" category by cobbling together what they think belongs and excluding what they think doesn't is the root of the problem.
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Good grief, Carlos. If you really think that "'sexual abuse' is purely subjective" I suggest you might want to go to the source of the "problem" and see about getting rid of
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per nom. Bosnia remains a divided country despite the Dayton accord. Thsi categorisation is as relevant as having separate English, Welsh, Scottish, and Irish categories.
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does not cover the field, as the contents cover media other than literature, but there seem to be no other lists-by-genre categories; perhaps they will follow. -
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is precisely what they fought a bloody civil war over, ferkrisake. So because of your personal animosity toward ethnicity, your "solution" is to engage in
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per nom. -- Since these two categories respesent opposing sides in the Civil War, it is utterly appropriate theat they should nbe separate.
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for clarity. Most citizens of B–H define themselves in this way, by ethnicity. Wasn't that what the war was all about? It seems relevant.
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is a cobbling together of everything for whistle blowing groups to various activities some people consider "abuse", which the article
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It was populated with an article in sandbox-space. I can't see the category ever being useful as it's far too narrow in scope.
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the nationality of the people, were most significant in the trials of all those included.
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Interesting. Beyond going by the article name, I have no opinion on it, myself
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Victims", but I think "Sexual abuse" is preferrable as it is somewhat broader.
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does anyone know of an emoticon of my jaw hitting the floor? Just wondering...
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Never edit Knowledge (XXG) unless fully coherent. It's been one of those days.
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the criminals, but is pervaded with much more interest in the criminals, even
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Just in case there was any lingering doubt about where I stand on these cats:
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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so consensus may be reached.
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Yikes, please tell me you were joking... seeing as "Sex slave" is the
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Most categories of this sort use "African American" instead of Black.
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That's where the article is now, but I think it shouldn't be.
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of our categories?? Sorry, but our readers deserve better.
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
February 17
February 19
deletion review
Ten Pound Hammer
02:38, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Category:Black rock musicians
Category:African American rock musicians
Ten Pound Hammer
23:16, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Occuli
talk
02:09, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
deletion review
deletion review
Kbdank71
14:53, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Category:Defunct cities in Oregon
Category:Former settlements in Oregon
Category:Former cities in the United States
Katr67
talk
22:47, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
Category:Former cities in the United States
Vegaswikian
talk
00:50, 19 February 2009 (UTC)
Katr67
talk

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