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1480:'Assuming the obvious' and 'local bias' (ie. personal bias). What makes one event from the history of an item 'sports lore' and not another? One's opinion. And just because a lot of people agree that a certain item should belong or that a particular page listed has a lot of items does not remove the POV nature of these lists.
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instead of merging. And the links for this CFD aren't properly anchored to this section heading -- they all need a piped parameter at the end for "Category:Sports lore and subcategories". So I'm withholding my endorsement until all such problems are taken care of. Also, it would be a good idea to
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Or that - I thought my variant easier to understand - we seem to be getting longer & more complex category titles these days. I would support renaming the parent too (... you know, not "Old series"). The lack of a distinct plural for "series" doesn't help.
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Budweiser, Pepsi and American Airlines, among others, as sponsors. It goes to notability. This organization, group or company has a list of very notable members, 15 of whom have last names starting with "L", including:
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are being referred to? After looking at WP:POV, this nom looks like yet a another case of an important set of Wiki guidelines being cited flagrantly, superficially and perhaps antithetically.... The second item in the nom,
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