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Knowledge (XXG) not someone's opinion of what makes a person famous. I have no objection to the creation of a list of the 600+ artists involved with the project, but lack the time or energy to do it. A list and category could compliment each other well. Suggesting that a list would be useful is not an argument for deletion of a category. -
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