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395:: although it is not clearly defined, neither are terms like sedan and coupe. They are definitions which vary depending on the source you use. Generally, hatchbacks have an upright, close to vertical tailgate. Liftbacks are far more sedan/coupe like with a roughly 45 degree sloping rear end. This is a rough definition—grey areas exists, but no more so than any other body type. AFAIK, there are no standards bodies that precisely define exactly what qualifies as a sedan, hatchback, liftback, coupe, etc (just general definitions). If third parties commonly refer to a car as a "liftback" then Knowledge (XXG) should reflect this. Likewise, for less clear-cut cars where both hatchback and liftback are widely used externally then we should state both are used. E.g. the 215:
be included under the term "actor" in situations where the gender of the performer isn't actually germane to the context, the real English-speaking world still routinely uses "actress" (rather than "woman/female actor") in the contexts where gender is relevant. Virtually all acting awards for female
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Sedan versus hatchback is easy; if the rear window is fixed, it's a sedan; if the rear window can be opened, it's a hatchback. Ambiguity between sedan/coupe/hatchback isn't relevant here, when we're discussing liftback and hatchback. Coupe especially; hatchback coupe is a distinct bodystyle from a
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A "liftback" is just another type of hatchback. It's not a particularly well-defined term, and many cars are known just as commonly by the hatchback term as they are by the liftback term. This is because hatchback is not only more general, it is an international term, whilst liftback isn't used
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The other relevant category for Australian film actors is "Category: Australian male film actors". Given we've moved beyond the idea of gender specific terms such as actresses, poetesses, authoresses etc, we should also change the name of this category to follow suit and rename it "Category:
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Unlike poetess and authoress, "actress" is the primary English phrase to describe a female who acts. Happy to discuss a change should actor become more widely applied to women than it is now. Also, it's worth opposing the chosen nomination on the basis that starting with
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less commonly used than hatchback, it is part of the hatchback article, and the fact that the category has a large amount of cars missing from it is a fairly large nail in its coffin. As Warren also points out below, liftback is a marketing term first and foremost.
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real-world usage, not to actively lead a proposed shift in it — and per other commenters, even if a change in our naming convention for "women who act" categories actually did take place, it would need to be applied comprehensively to the entire
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article is about the district; the two are roughly coterminous) seems redundant - one is simply the local authority covering the other, and can only really ever have the one article which related directly to that district authority.
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In most cases the differentiation between the two terms is down to marketing. The slope of the window does not make a consistent difference between names, and I would agree that hatchback is the more common generic term.
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performers, in film, stage or television in virtually all English-speaking countries, are still to this day named "Best Actress" rather than "Best Woman/Female Actor". And our role on Knowledge (XXG) is to
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much to merge as it stands (many of them are already in both categories). The fact that a lot of cars that could be classified as liftbacks aren't in here is pretty damning, I feel.
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For every country we might receive a request to keep the parliament in the category name in the native language. Where do we draw the line, also considering the C2C principle?
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The proposal would have to be much, much broader than just Australians. In any case, "actress" is the commonly preferred term, even in Australia, as evidenced by the
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Good points one and all. Thanks for your help with this. I'm convinced it should remain as is, and am happy for this discussion to be closed early.
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regular coupe, although they're practically always just referred to as coupes in that case. The main difference is that "liftback" is a term that is
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anywhere near as widely. Several cars in this category probably shouldn't be here anyway, and there isn't
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is considered to be a sedan in some quarters but a four-door coupe in others (it bridges both).
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I'd be happy enough with that, though it would require renaming of the four subcategories.
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Best way forward would probably be for me to withdraw this nomination and open a new CFD.
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I would support an expanded nomination including the sub-categories on the same basis.
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are not typically placed under physical geography categories like this one (e.g. no
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
January 13
January 15
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deletion review
Good Ol’factory
03:16, 22 January 2015 (UTC)
Category:Australian film actresses
Category:Australian female film actors
Perry Middlemiss
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Category:Film actresses by nationality
Category:Australian actresses
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Category:Actresses
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AACTA Award for Best Actress in a Leading Role
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Category:Actresses
Bearcat
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