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Encyclopedie. The entry has almost nothing to do with the plant itself and all to do with Diderot's impatience with the idea of having to write about subjects on which there's nothing to say just because of "readers who prefer finding nothing in an article of the Dictionnaire, or even finding a stupidity, than not finding an article at all." In other words, it happens to be one of the entries in which Diderot reflects on (complains about) an aspect of the process (or business?) of encyclopedism. I could've sworn I added better sources to it before, as that entry has been covered in a couple places I've come across, but it's certainly hurting right now. I'll add to it and remove the OR tag. —
365:, whose only relevance to the subject is an editorial comment made by Diderot in the Encyclopedie. While this comment is amusing and illustrates the challenges faced by the editors of the Encyclopedie in 1750s, it is also arguably original research, as I can find no third party references about Diderots statement or the plants overall relevance to the category of "Encyclopedism". 437:: We have no reason whatsoever to target a particular genre of writing a research as somehow unworthy of a category (or an article; next stop AFD – if anyone is making NN claims, that will be easily disproven since there are entire books about this topic and lots of scholarly papers from textual analysis, historiography, etc.). 922:
Just wondering...is this only being done with tennis players? I see categories like "Category:Footballers from Newham (London borough)", "Category:Footballers from Greater London", "Category:Basketball players from Greater London", "Category:Cricketers from Brisbane", . I assume that they're on the
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I admit the statement is humorous, and that it likely reflects a point in Diderot's life when he was thinking "What the hell am I doing with the project, if all I can do is give a stupid statement like that?" It is an attitude of frustration that many modern date Wikipedians can appreciate. But we
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is not a mistake, so it did not need to be removed for that reason (as to whether the extent of its relevance is enough is another question). Urena lobata is a plant that has nothing to do with encyclopedism, but there is a well known entry for it (as "aguaxima") written by Diderot in the
1225:: As a fictional genre/archetype, the definition is clearly much too loose for a category. Not every list needs a cat., and as well all know, listification of cat. is a frequent outcome. If the article did not exist, we would probably listify this an create it. 1137:
Well, real people would have such sources too. I can find sources that refer to real people as "heroes" and "antiheroes". The problem is that there is no standard, objective way of determining when such labels apply, whether in real life or in fiction.
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Each of these examples has been identified by a critic as an antihero, although the classification is somewhat subjective. Some of the entries may be disputed by other sources and some may contradict all established definitions of
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chopping block also? If they aren't, then I'm not sure I would go along with deletion of only tennis players. It seems like country (or perhaps a state) is good enough, I just want to make sure all sports are treated equally.
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Some sports have way more articles for participants than others. Categorization is meant to aid navigation, and so subcategorzing some things in a given way should not mandate subcategorzing all things in that
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I never said that the subject is not noteworthy. However, the cat in its current state is unnecessary as it only includes a few miscellaneous articles with out any real connections holding them together.--
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neither hero nor antihero can be reasonably applied in the real world. However, fictional cases have literary studies to back up their definitions and sources to cite for each case. --
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A bit confused here. I don't particularly care one way or the other on this issue, but why some sports and not others? What sports deserve fine level? If this goes, they should all go.
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which, since it is concerned with a very specific area, deserves to be the main article in the cat Contributors to the Encyclopedie (I have already made that change); and...
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per previous discussions. I don't think anything has changed. It's still a designation that is essentially POV and much to malleable for categorization.
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article needs to have its own category. In this case there is one eponymous article plus three articles that should be purged as they are not
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which was submitted just after this one. Once that wraps up (either way), we'll be in a better position to evaluate the category.
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as well as the two primary articles mentioned below, so seems more worthwhile than when some of the comments below were made. –
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I've removed it from Encyclopedism (It is still in Encyclopedie). So now this cat has four pages, including the main article.--
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I fail to see the point of this category. At the time I first nominated it, it contained three articles - the main article,
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has been added, but that is somewhat arbitrary. Why not the histories or main articles of many important encyclopedias?--
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just being six examples, we don't subcategorize sportspeople from Foo by the type of athletes they are.
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was added in error though.) My cutoff for a category is usually 5 but there's probably room for growth.
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some sports might work with this fine level of categorization, but tennis is not one of them.
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The questionable main article is kept, and 3 of the other articles seem on point. (I think
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then we need a list. A category does not provide a way to verify claims of membership
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories.
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And we would never categorize real people under such terms, per
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion.
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There is an open nomination to delete the main article,
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need a third party reference, or else it is WP:OR.--
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
March 14
March 16
talk page
deletion review
Marcocapelle
talk
07:14, 23 March 2016 (UTC)
Category:University of Brasília students
edit
talk
history
links
watch
logs
Category:University of Brasília alumni
Pam
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23:01, 15 March 2016 (UTC)
BrownHairedGirl
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contribs
10:19, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
Shearonink
talk
15:17, 16 March 2016 (UTC)
talk page
deletion review
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