1496:, I don't see how there's a problem here that requires us to rearrange two words. There's no confusion here as to what the current category means, and I don't see why the proposed name is less awkward when it actually inserts the descriptive modifier "news" in the middle of the underlying noun "television series". One could then more easily confuse "television news" to be the subject of these shows, such as programming on E! or the TV Guide channel. I'm also perplexed by the arbitrary choice of "shows" when "series" is by far the dominant term used in our category structure, with "programmes" second. I'm not necessarily opposed to a proper rename, but I think this particular issue should have been discussed in a better and wider forum first to gauge support (including for the idea that there's even a problem to be solved here) and better alternatives. It seems at best like unnecessary work, and at worst would involve a loss of clarity.
2252:- I started these categories, I suppose. (1) While there is arguably some overlap here, the two categories are not perfectly contiguous. "Medical condition" includes things like malaria, stuttering, obesity, not all of which are really considered "medical specialties". Similarly, "medical specialty" includes things that are definitely not medical conditions, like broad categories such as "pathology" and "radiology" and "bioethics" and "forensics" and "hospices". It still seems to me better to have two separate categories than just lump them all together. I'm not sure why, if lumping them together, we wouldn't just upmerge to
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