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See turkic peoples, romance peoples, celtic peoples, germanic peoples... semitic is not the same as japhetic and hamitic and saying such is a fallacy. The later two are obsolete while the former is a linguistic family. There are no hamitic languages or japhetic languages... but there are
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In your redirect project, I was under the impression that your categories overwrote existing categories- if an asteroid had something such as "discoveries by X" that was overwritten by your programs. Of course I have not checked. I apologize for any trouble I caused in assuming you had done so.
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