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703:- I'm here because I ran across a film that, apparently, is "about women" because there are women in it. I'm not sure if that fits the category or not, because there is no definition for the category. Are there also films "about men"? Do most heterosexual rom-coms belong in both categories? If they have a dog, is it a film about animals? There certainly are films that are about women
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1314:-- I would prefer to see this split into several categories for different speech impediments. Stuttering is I think only one kind of impediment. However, speech difficulties can be quite disabling, so that I do not think we should delete out of hand, but it may need weeding of people who had an impediment as a child and wholly overcame it.
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