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1767:. Although I believe that WP:DEFINING/WP:NONDEF are overused to delete categories, I don't see any reason to get rid of a category on grounds of triviality when the category is a shining counterexample to NONDEF's "if the characteristic would not be appropriate to mention in the lead portion of an article, it is probably not defining" statement. In this case, 24.25% of our year articles have " was a leap year beginning on " as their very first sentence, and all of the exceptions are common years. Aside from going by broader chunks of time (e.g. by decade), there's probably no way to categorise years on a more fundamental level. Let's have fourteen year categories: common years beginning on Sunday, leap years beginning on Sunday, common years beginning on Monday, leap years beginning on Monday, etc. 4158:
broad cultural phenemenon that exists beyond the coundaries of any specific nation. Additionally the use of China and Taiwan in Knowledge would probably exclude Tiawan from coverage, even though some of these articles cover things that also occur in Taiwan. Lemongirl942 also underestimates the extent to which some of these arts appear in Chinese cultural communities in Canada, the US, Australia and other places in the world where overall the Chinese are not a large portion of the population but they have large enough concentrations in some areas to produce a broad array of cultural phenomenon.
680:-y I think we should at least be consistent on high-level civilian decorations, and not have one rule for the US/UK and another for "foreigners in Africa". Broadly it seems to be that the top levels of civilian awards are considered defining, roughly of a level equivalent to British knighthoods, of which ~60 are awarded per year in a population of 60 million. So I'd suggest a loose "1 in a million" rule when it comes to these things, I'm not sure where that would put the cut-off here. 2786:, and nominate the 82 for renaming to "People from". Unless there's some WP:ENGVAR issue that I've not encountered, "People of" isn't normal English, while "People from" is perfectly normal. At least in en:us, it's perfectly normal to say "I'm from ", even when the fuller phrase is "I'm from right here, and I've never lived anywhere else", while nobody ever says "I'm of ", and the same is true if you use a different pronoun or a noun instead of a pronoun. 4303:. We don't have any gender related categories pertaining to religons that I know of, expept for stuff such as nuns and monks which is gender based by structure as only men can become imams or monks and only women can become nuns in certain religions. Atheism of course has none of that. Yes there were some women who where vocal atheist and incorporated it in their activism for women's rights, but we already have 3634:
their own separate male-specific or female-specific sports platforms. (2) The occupation is not inherently gender-segregated, but the fact that women were historically underrepresented (and may still be) in the field has led to the production and publication of actual RS research and study into the phenomenon of women joining and participating in the field — such as the considerable literature that
2457:. There is no clear, NPOV definition of what is and what is not a palace. I do have to point out that I am not convinced that being "presidential" is a unifying characteristic either. Arguably "president" is a case of shared name, where the actual office is not at all the same in all countries involved. 4332:
For years, there was a series of daft decisions at CFD which left us without gendered categories for clearly-gendered occupations such as actors, and it took months of protracted argument to puncture that erroneous groupthink and uphold WP:CATGENDER. However, categories like this are the mirror image
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You clearly misunderstand: how often when one category of several similar ones are nominated and there are lots of comments along the lines of why is this category different from others not nominated; often times a closing admin recognizes the fundamental oddness of that and may infer that they stand
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the profession is inherently segregated by gender, as with acting or some sports. None of these occupations is inherently segregated by gender, so the case for each gendered category must be made on its own merits. I am persinally unpersuaded on the merits of all the female categories, but that is a
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All except fashion designers because we could not write a strong lead article that is more than a list. In these cases the combination of maleness and the profession is not defining. Weather it is for femaleness and the profession is a seperate question that should be considered seperately. With the
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I should have said that the order is not defining to any of the 3 articles currently categorized. It just needlessly adds to category clutter. It probably should be removed from all three as a non-defining category, but out of process emptying of categories because nothing in it is at all defined by
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category. The problem there is that it is violating the non-defusing rule. The only non-gender specific sub-category is the costume designer one, which is the same as having no workable sub-cat at all, so the set up is too likely to defuse people only by gender, which is only acceptable in singing,
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On the contrary, I understand clearly. Such comparisons are often made, but in this case we have a guideline which has been stable for a decade, and stable in its insistence that such a comparison is not applicable between male and female categories. I accept that you do not support that guideline,
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of those articles to look at, either because the recipients are not notable or because African biographies are under-represented in Knowledge. But, ultimately, categories are designed to aid navigation and readers clicking on this one would probably be looking for biographies of people in Africa or
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PS, the use of "of" makes it sound like these people are associated with the state, not merely living under its domain. "People of the Abbasid Caliphate", for example, sounds like it would include the caliphs, their courtiers, etc., but exclude the average Baghdadi, while "People from the Abbasid
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I think Lemongirl942 is right on Chinese having a broad meaning that covers overseas Chinese, some who have retained their oversees Chinese culture for centirues. In Singapore the majority of the population is Chinese. Some of the sub-cats should probably be renamed to relect that this is about a
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per nom. There are two different situations where gender categorization is warranted in an occupational category tree: (1) The occupation is inherently gender-segregated in some way — e.g. sports, where men and women do not generally compete directly against each other, but rather each compete in
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per nom, there is no specific reason to categorize these occupations by male gender. Regarding the above discussion about female categories, I haven't really thought about merging these categories too, since the female categories haven't been nominated and procedurally the male categories can be
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I notice that in some haste or confusion 1900 has be placed in the leap years in the Gregorian calendar, despite it being a common year. So someone's mixing apples and oranges, and which calendar has which year as leap. It's not that defining, any more than having a category
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in the field is not the only valid basis for a "female/women" gender category — in some fields, there's no segregation per se but women were historically rare enough in the field that their increasing participation has led to the publication of reliable source
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should have a consistent format, either all should have "of" or all should have "from". If the nomination would have contained two scenarios, namely change these 6 to "of" or change the other 82 to "from" I would have preferred the latter because the tree of
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acting, modeling and sports where gender is overwhelmingly defining. It is not an acceptable action for design and writing professions, and so we need to follow ERGS rules, and the current set up is violating the no bottom rung ERGS category rule.
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My view is that there is a difference between "Chinese" and "in China". Places such as Singapore, Malaysia, Taiwan which have large populations of ethnic Chinese do have examples of performing arts. I wouldn't describe them as
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exist into women in politics, whether they do or don't approach the job differently than men do, whether they do or don't have different political priorities, the degree to which sexism did or didn't play a role in
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On a strictly technical basis, there's nothing preventing us from creating gendered subcategories for absolutely every category on Knowledge that exists to contain human beings — but our goal is
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for being women. They are either notable women who happen to be atheists or notable atheists who happen to be women. Whatever the case it would seem silly having similar categories such as
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These occupations are not such that awards, competition, etc. is gender based (such as in most sports and acting) or has legal or terminological significance (such as kings vs. queens).
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expatriates. But in fact I could also very well live with using "of" or "in" in both trees, so I'm not going to oppose here. Things may settle out more clearly in future nominations.
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is a mere terminological distinction, there are many other cases where the term is used to indicate either a former monarchical building or a new build in a monarchical style. --
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you have a rationale for why these categories represent an exception to the broad principle. And I see no claim from you that these categories represent an exceptional case. --
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I think in general historian of x topic is just a better formulation. I doubt many people would put someone who fought in Chicakmagua but wrote about medieval France in the
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per second suggestion, or (second choice) keep - the bland "residence" is the NPOV choice. Which ones are palaces may depend on local usage or even editorial preference.
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country subdivisions. I really don't think the two trees are fundamentally different, especially I think that the nominated categories should allow foreign-born people
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Asia but all they would find today would be high-ranking Europeans. (If and when these other biography articles show up, that would be a good point to re-evaluate.)
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category. I am more worried that the current names might cause some people to argue they should be limited to historians of the conflict who were involved in it.
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or such, millions of people lose a day of vacation which is more important than having the option of working 8 more hours in February to boost your income.
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which sums up those individuals (both women and non-women) nicely. Which ever way you cut it the category looks like clumping two unrelated facts together.
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subdivisions. Yes, all-inclusion is what is intended, I just showed the implications of the different forms when we are speaking of former countries.--
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two British royals received the award but neither is defined by Portugal's colonies. If we delete this category, the recipients will still be listed
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were a historical figure and not merely a literary character, he wouldn't be a person of the caliphate, but he'd be a person from the caliphate.
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per Purplebackpack. Not all residences are palaces, but all palaces are residences — and I'm not strongly convinced that the category needs to
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on the rest, though my personal preference is to keep as it serves as a good navigational tool and for quickly locating articles by gender. --
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You could say that about pretty much any category for honours, even including such things as Oscars. Do you support deleting all of them? --
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levels of the Order of the British Empire and all the other British honours, from lowest to highest. So this is actually a non-issue. --
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but its stability affirms that it reflects a broad community consensus ... so unless and until it is changed, it should be applied here
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But these are historical states and not current nationalities, and that is fundamentally different. There is not any "from" category in
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was either awarded or gave himself 4 official medals and doesn't seem to have ever lived in a Portuguese colony. We obviously look at
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if the singer is non-notable, I find it unlikely that his songs are notable, unless these are all covers of other artists.
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normal English. For example, "People from the Byzantine Empire" has 0 GBook hits, "People of the Byzantine Empire" has 5.--
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for example is similar to this situation and is used to denote the ethnicity/culture associated with the word "Arabic". --
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past attempts to categorize radio stations by their AM or FM frequency, and television stations by their channel number —
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I actually have no idea if this award would be defining for the colonial people for which it was intended. We don't have
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per nom; the absence of a male equivalence speaks volumes as to whether atheism by gender is a notable intersection.
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being used. Nothing in this category would actually be misfiled if it were upmerged to the parent, and even if there
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Not trying to achieve any change, just articulating my position. The closing admin can take them for what its worth.
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Each of the nominated categories has an equivalent "Indian female fooers" (or "Indian women fooers") counterpart:
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Sure but I can't think of any plausible reason why someone would only want to read what happened in leap years.
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for consistency, by the proposed rename these categories will have the same format as their sibling categories.
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I think you'll find that it was predominantly aimed at Portuguese people serving in the colonies, not people
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already use the "Historians of Foo War" format; this proposal would align the remaining 6 with that format.
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of that folly, by creating a gendered category for which the long-standing guidance provides no support. --
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in the case of a full-on segregation of genders — but a "women/female" category can exist if it satisfies
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trivial for those categorized, who only receive the award apparently after they were otherwise notable.
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I've moved all the Year articles to that category, but - as indicated - kept this one as the parent.
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recipients. Whether that is defining enough for Knowledge I leave to others, but without getting too
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A gender-specific category could be implemented where gender has a specific relation to the topic
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was an award for residents of Portugal's colonial empire. The three articles we have listed are
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specifically rejects that principle. If you want to pursue a change to that principle, then per
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Clearly this wasn't a purely colonial decoration, although it was perhaps more so than say the
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this is not the way to do it. Local consensus cannot override a wider community consensus. --
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for example is a "Chinese" performing art, but not necessarily in China. I also noticed that
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it's possible to suss out a potential distinction, there's none present in the way this is
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Two categories that seem to cover the exact same topic. No objection to reverse merging.
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I must have miscounted as I dispersed. Anyway, the WWI and WWII categs are subcats of
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criterion, then a "women/female" category is justified, but a "men/male" category is
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criterion, then male and female gender categories are both valid; if it passes the
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uses "from" as well, and I don't think the two trees are fundamentally different.
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are independent guidelines. Either guideline may lead to deletion of a category.
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That is why none of these categories has a global parent: see the redlinks for
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of the criteria, then there should be no gender categories at all. All of
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just because those years happened to have a February 29. No objection to
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to the category in hopes of further hastening this discussion's close.--
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into the significance of that fact. A "men/male" category should exist
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need to be balanced with an equivalent female category (or vice versa)
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will probably be more relevant; I see no reason why this category will
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The Portuguese wikipedia says the canonical source of the recipient is
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respectively, so this matches that convention. 5 of the 11 subcats of
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Caliphate" is more clearly intended to include the average Yusef. If
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I am tempted by that idea, and will think about it. So I have tagged
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I am now signing on to BHG's proposal to merge palaces to residences.
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Fair point. Makes me wonder about these year-of-birth categories too.
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The artist is non-notable and the article about him has been deleted:
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Er, anyone who wants to read about years that were leap years. HTH.
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use the proposed format, so that's clearly not a clear convention.
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between any two things that happen to share that characteristic.
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fashion designer one, we maybe should upmerge to the world-wide
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How is "People of" not normal English? Judging by Gbooks hits,
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defining characteristics of a radio or television station, but
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as a triviality. Who would ever need to consult this category?
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
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respectively, to there's a C2C through their other parent. --
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or fall together and ought to be so grouped. Also, despite
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pointed out the two aren't fundamentally different at all.
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you're not supposed to empty categories while under CfD? —
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as the fashion industry seems to be gender categorised.
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I have also removed 3586:some occupations where a "women/female" category 988:(merge and deletion were completed prior to this 627:As the President and Prime Minister of Portugal, 2592:Category:People from the Principality of Serbia 2285:; if any action is taken, then it should be to 734:The order is not defining to anyone who got it. 637:Order of the Colonial Empire#Notable Recipients 606:Order of the Colonial Empire#Notable Recipients 1879:categorizing them that way because there's no 639:though; I added both articles you mentioned.) 2850:former sub-divisions (e.g. categories within 2596:Category:People of the Principality of Serbia 1726:Category:Leap years in the Gregorian calendar 1701:Category:Leap years in the Gregorian calendar 1400:Category:Leap years in the Gregorian calendar 1279:Category:Leap years in the Gregorian calendar 8: 4033:pointless subcategory with a single parent. 2846:. There are also many categories for people 2583:Category:People from the Kingdom of Sardinia 1785:This is a defining characteristic of years. 670:Category:Congressional Gold Medal recipients 139:Category:Historians of the Spanish Civil War 4330:-based rationale for keeping this category. 3140:, which was left out of this discussion. – 2574:Category:People from the Republic of Ragusa 2071:Seems redundant to the much-more-populated 1676:Category:Years where Christmas is on Sunday 1615:This is a defining characteristic of years. 4106:a viable distinction this wouldn't be its 3226:Category:Indian male television presenters 2670:. At the very least the categories within 2601:Category:People from the Kingdom of Serbia 2587:Category:People of the Kingdom of Sardinia 2556:Category:People from the Almohad Caliphate 2529:. A follow-up nomination is called for. – 212: 3208:Category:Indian male contemporary artists 3172:Category:Indian male television producers 3163:Category:Indian male television directors 2852:Category:People from former German states 2578:Category:People of the Republic of Ragusa 1550:So, by that logic, we should also delete 3367:separate discussion, because the two do 2605:Category:People of the Kingdom of Serbia 2560:Category:People of the Almohad Caliphate 2250:Would you be adverse to the deletion of 2146:category should be kept as a parent of 320:Category:Historiography of World War II 215: 181:Category:Historiography of World War II 41: 3722:Category:Indian male fashion designers 3590:justifiable but a "men/male" category 3262: 3244:Category:Indian male mountain climbers 3235:Category:Indian male fashion designers 3122:Category:Indian male fashion designers 2703:Category:People from Georgia (country) 2649:etc, a format which is widely used in 1398:If you want to rename the category to 394:Category:American Civil War Historians 316:Category:Historiography of World War I 177:Category:Historiography of World War I 148:Category:Historians of the Vietnam War 33: 3341:C:Indian female television presenters 3230:Category:Indian television presenters 3190:Category:Indian male cinematographers 2565:Category:People from the Cretan State 1145:Category:DYK/Unsuccessful nominations 1018:Category:DYK/Unsuccessful nominations 602:. Therefore, I'd rather have it kept. 538:. I haven't found a source that says 489:Category:Order of the Colonial Empire 435:Category:Order of the Colonial Empire 272:Category:Historians of the Korean War 135:Category:Spanish Civil War historians 130:Category:Historians of the Korean War 7: 3675:a comprehensive system of gendering 3333:C:Indian female contemporary artists 3317:C:Indian female television directors 3313:C:Indian female television producers 3212:Category:Indian contemporary artists 3176:Category:Indian television producers 3167:Category:Indian television directors 1450:'s !vote. I'm now neutral, leaning 1446:It's still subject to deletion, per 674:Category:Order of the British Empire 666:Category:Order of the British Empire 635:differently. (We agree on expanding 3217:Category:Indian male choreographers 3181:Category:Indian male film directors 2569:Category:People of the Cretan State 290:Category:Military historians by war 281:Category:Historians of the Iraq War 234:Category:Military historians by war 230:Category:Historians of World War II 185:Category:Military historians by war 166:Category:Historians of World War II 121:Category:Historians of the Iraq War 18:Knowledge:Categories for discussion 2395:I think it should be used. Thanks 263:Category:Historians of World War I 157:Category:Historians of World War I 28: 4287:, yet another extreme example of 4225:The result of the discussion was: 4130:Category:Performing arts in China 4024:Category:Performing arts in China 3994:The result of the discussion was: 3818:The result of the discussion was: 3349:C:Indian female mountain climbers 3345:C:Indian female fashion designers 3248:Category:Indian mountain climbers 3239:Category:Indian fashion designers 3116:The result of the discussion was: 3020:Category:Israeli scenic designers 2986:The result of the discussion was: 2711:Category:People from Nazi Germany 2672:Category:People by former country 2651:Category:People by former country 2647:Category:Almohad Caliphate people 2618:Category:People by former country 2524:The result of the discussion was: 2217:from a redirect to a category. -- 1954:The result of the discussion was: 1272:The result of the discussion was: 976:The result of the discussion was: 463:The result of the discussion was: 88:The result of the discussion was: 4020:Category:Chinese performing arts 3966:Category:Chinese performing arts 3849:Category:Nikos Oikonomidis songs 3790:Category:Nikos Oikonomidis songs 3647:'s in 1993, and on and so forth. 3325:C:Indian female cinematographers 3194:Category:Indian cinematographers 3016:Category:Israeli stage designers 2958:Category:Israeli stage designers 2856:Category:Imperial Russian people 2455:Category:Presidential residences 2389:Category:Presidential residences 2329:Category:Presidential residences 2215:Category:Presidential residences 2181:Category:Presidential residences 2144:Category:Presidential residences 2038:Category:Presidential residences 1992:Category:Presidential residences 1964:Category:Presidential residences 1926:Category:Presidential residences 1589:become more relevant over time. 748:And you would know that how? -- 288:Only 5 from 11 subcategories of 226:Category:World War II historians 162:Category:World War II historians 3748:Category:Male fashion designers 3649:If the occupation fulfills the 3199:Category:Indian male filmmakers 2707:Category:People of Nazi Germany 2141:, neither of which is a palace. 2029:alternate, added later by BHG: 1699:is also wrongly categorised in 1014:Category:Failed DYK nominations 948:Category:Failed DYK nominations 259:Category:World War I historians 153:Category:World War I historians 144:Category:Vietnam War historians 3419:The long-standing guidance at 3337:C:Indian female choreographers 3321:C:Indian female film directors 3221:Category:Indian choreographers 3185:Category:Indian film directors 3138:Category:Indian male designers 2858:). No need for the change. -- 2731:Category:People by nationality 2699:Category:People by nationality 2677:Category:People by nationality 268:Category:Korean War historians 126:Category:Korean War historians 1: 4238:13:08, 20 February 2017 (UTC) 4120:14:32, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 4087:12:07, 18 February 2017 (UTC) 4070:05:09, 14 February 2017 (UTC) 3937:07:46, 13 February 2017 (UTC) 3714:02:07, 24 February 2017 (UTC) 3697:14:15, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 3626:07:43, 13 February 2017 (UTC) 3604:14:42, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 3008:05:03, 14 February 2017 (UTC) 2451:Category:Presidential palaces 2443:15:02, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 2422:08:03, 12 February 2017 (UTC) 2385:Category:Presidential palaces 2354:Category:Presidential palaces 2325:Category:Presidential palaces 2252:Category:Presidential palaces 2201:17:53, 14 February 2017 (UTC) 2177:Category:Presidential palaces 2148:Category:Presidential palaces 2131:Category:Presidential palaces 2073:Category:Presidential palaces 2034:Category:Presidential palaces 1960:Category:Presidential palaces 1897:14:57, 22 February 2017 (UTC) 1820:08:36, 10 February 2017 (UTC) 1597:13:13, 20 February 2017 (UTC) 1581:Not comperable. 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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
February 5
February 7
talk page
deletion review
Fayenatic
London
08:12, 29 March 2017 (UTC)
Category:Iraq War historians
Category:Historians of the Iraq War
Category:Korean War historians
Category:Historians of the Korean War
Category:Spanish Civil War historians
Category:Historians of the Spanish Civil War
Category:Vietnam War historians
Category:Historians of the Vietnam War
Category:World War I historians
Category:Historians of World War I
Category:World War II historians
Category:Historians of World War II
Category:Historiography of World War I
Category:Historiography of World War II
Category:Military historians by war
BrownHairedGirl
(talk)
contribs
22:56, 6 February 2017 (UTC)
Category:World War II historians
Category:Historians of World War II

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