1570:). From looking through the history of some articles it appears that if an early revision of an article read "Foo is a term that refers to ..." (and many new articles do) then it's likely to be placed in a terminology cat - and still be there after the lead sentence has been wikified to "A foo is ..." and content (about the subject, not the word) has been added. So in many cases you'd be creating a "List of articles that were mis-categorised ". And I do mean "mis-categorised" - e.g.
909:. Read it yourself. I had figured I might be overloading the same link, but since you're making such a big brouhaha over it, here it is again. It is correct, since it appears in dictionaries. English is not a language defined by a language institute, and we do not default to older forms of English just because they are older. Clearly the Economist, UNESCO and Oxford think it is proper to use the "-s" form. English is not a dead language, it does evolve. --
1604:, "Wine terminology" would not. I suspect that might be true for some but not all of the others. Making a decision for one which then applies to the others is not appropriate, especially as "terms" can have a diffeent meaning to "terminology" depending on the context. And making a blanket decision based only on a definition of "terminology" without a consideration of each unique full phrase or the topic being categorised does not make sense.
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978:. The historical usage was "The Diaspora" refering to the dispersion of the Jews. Using Diaspora for any other group is a fairly recent inovation. However I think people is a good equivalent term. A Diaspora is the massive dispersion of a people. The key is this is a container category for multiple disaporas, so the plural should be used.
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1473:- I think the point that technically nearly every page name in the encyclopedia for a concept is a "term", is well taken. This essentially duplicates a LOT of categories. As such, this would be better served if this became an RfC. I don't want to see a delete
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