1817:, so it wasn't the "sole" article. In general, once a category is nominated for deletion, it should not be empty; it is permissible to remove entries which obviously and uncontroversially don't belong, but if someone disagrees they should be kept until the nomination ends. It is also permitted to add new entries to the category while it is being discussed - in other words, you can build up, but not tear down. This is just long standing practice, and is documented as BHG pointed out. I don't think there's anything "nonsense" about it - there are many other analogues to this category (see American women novelists for example), so the creator was doing the right thing in good faith by starting to populate it; it's just I (and others) think in this particular case the cat is not needed. That said, if someone wants to fill it up while we are discussing it that would be no problem - if the category is merged, those entries will be sent back automatically.--
1491:- the material does not justify an eponymous category since the material is not of such volume and complexity that categorization significantly improves navigation. One of the sub-cats, for the band of which this guy is a member, is kind of bogus categorization anyway. Since every album and every song is pretty much automatically placed in a "Albums/Songs by Foo" category, simple sub-category counting strikes me as an extremely simplistic way of decision-making.
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Gibraltarian biographical articles tagged to fill a stub category -- let alone sports players in general, or (as in this case) players for one particular sport.
333:. Is it speculative to say this movement is more or less dead? Perhaps. But I think it's more speculative to say it's going to expand to the point where SMALLCAT won't be a problem anymore. I'd like to see this deleted without prejudice towards recreation if the topic ever gets to the point where it can support more articles.
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662:. Only 5 articles in the perm cat. Since there are less than 100 articles tagged for all notable Gibraltarian people, and the country is missing an overarching sport bio stub category, propose deleting this football bio category and upmerging template until about 60 related articles found.
751:- valid category. The country plays their first officially sanctioned match on 19 November 2013, after which there will be 11 players (at least!) considered notable for an article. There is no point in deleting this category when it would have to be re-created in 3 weeks. And no,
148:. While it is notable that these women won the Turing Award, there is no appreciable difference between being a female Turing laureate and a male Turing laureate that justifies maintaining a separate category. The two members, both of whom are still also in
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799:- perfectly valid category that will see a significant boost in population in a few weeks. No sure where the "60 related articles" benchmark is from. Is there any consensus for this on a wider basis?
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2053:. Unnecessary eponymous category holding minimal content per
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1149:WP:OC#SMALL
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469:, and also
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331:WP:SMALLCAT
188:per JPL. --
154:Jerry Pepsi
1854:and maybe
1782:HairedGirl
858:Fenix down
815:Guidelines
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773:guidelines
753:WP:CRYSTAL
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