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1195:: I agree that there is allready a Category:Persistent Organic Pollutants under the Stockholm Convention and Persistent Organic Pollutants under the Convention on Long-Range Transboundary Air Pollution however: these do not list actual products, rather they list compounds that are forbidden under the convention. The consumer does hence not know whether a certain product (ie pesticide) is a persistent polluter, unless he starts reading the label for the contents (assuming he actually has the product in his possession) or unless he researches this online. I think that we can't assume that wikipedia readers will do this for very product, and so it certainly has its merit for the pages here. Also, there is no specific category for inorganic persistent pollutants. 655:
round here use normal houses not purpose-built, mostly with more than one occupant, and this has certainly been the case historically for RC clergy worldwide, as much as Protestant ones, even with no need to accomodate spouses & children. One nearby RC parish (with other priests around too) has just built a new one nicknamed the "McMansion". Plus the category is for
1527:. The publisher of the songs within this category is not a defining quality of these songs. Most of the songs in the category are redirects and the ones with articles don't even mention who the publisher is, and it surely wouldn't be something that would be mentioned in the lead of the article much less anywhere else. -- 1571:
Most of the other categories are filled with songs by the Beatles and the songs released as solo artists and I am uncertain as to whether the publisher of those is just as non-defining. I think it's more clear cut on a band that has only been around for 10 years with nearly every song in the category
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buildings, the vast majority of which are listed on cultural heritage registers, and we aren't likely to have any articles on clergy apartments, are we (I rather doubt even the present Pope's apartment in Buenos Aires is notable)? The categories contains many RC clergy houses, or ones that formerly
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An "apartment house" is a house just as much as a single family dwelling, and RC clergy houses invariably share the communal reception rooms, kitchens etc, though of course people have their own bedrooms. No doubt many RC clergy now live individually in normal apartments, but all the local parishes
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This might exist as a container category for both the Convention categories. The headnote seeks to include inorganic as well. However, this would include heavy metals, such as lead, where bio (or other) degradation is not feasible. I do not think that a parent is needed for the two convenbtions;
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etc. A google search on ""clergy house" Texas" shows plenty of uses for specific places. A bunch of these terms rightly redirect to one article, & clergy house is the best common denominator. "Rectory" was hopeless. I'm not saying it's the most common, but it is denomination neutral, & the
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were. Your inability to distinguish between a "religion" (Christianity) and a denomination (Roman Catholicism) suggests this is not an area you are familiar with. Are there any articles in the category for which you think the term "house" is inaccurate?
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I know an awful lot of priests and ministers and I've never heard of any of them refer to a "clergy house". It's an invented term created to be inclusive. But it's not a term that individuals use, they say rectory, parsonage or parish house.
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There's never anything wrong (on recreation grounds, at least) with recreating a G7-deleted page; remember that G7 is for pages whose creator requests deletion. Use of the criterion doesn't imply that anything's wrong with the page.
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as nominated. In the case of RC housing, it is more akin to an apartment house then an individual house so I see the proposed name as inaccurate. I know this follows the current main article name, but perhaps both are wrong. Maybe
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are the best choices. Some religions do provide normal residences for their religious leaders and in that case calling it a house would be OK. But to apply that to all religions is not wise.
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per nom. Strictly, a rectory is the living not the house, but the category is being used to include vicarages etc, which are not the houses of rectories. No objection to a cat-redirect.
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Sure, I didn't mean to imply that there was, which is why I specifically noted as part of the nomination that the re-creation was done in good faith.
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Category without clearly defined criteria. Hence, the decision whether an article should be considered is arbitrary. The existing categories,
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renaming for compound modifier (hadn't realised this rule when I made the category). The category is based on and categorised under
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That is my main concern: Deciding whether an article should be added to this category is
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easiest to understand for those without your wide circle of clergy contacts.
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Compound modifier. Also seems like it should either be "foreign-language
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Index

Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion
Log
October 30
November 1
talk page
deletion review
NAC
Armbrust
19:41, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
Category:Breeders' Cup Ladies' Classic winners
Category:Breeders' Cup Distaff winners
Bcp67
talk
21:23, 31 October 2013 (UTC)

Montanabw
01:42, 1 November 2013 (UTC)
Bcp67
WP:CSD#C2D
Nyttend
talk
12:57, 3 November 2013 (UTC)
talk page
deletion review
talk page
deletion review
Category:Articles that link to foreign-language Wikisources
Philosopher
19:57, 16 November 2013 (UTC)
Category:Articles that link to foreign language Wikisource

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