1277:: ie, "...in my opinion, the closer was involved...and it counted votes rather than weighing arguments", rather than just "...the closer was involved ... and it counted votes rather than weighing arguments". As you probably know, there has been a lively conflict of opinion on these matters and so far you have been the only one to have expressed those particular opinions about what I did. You can have whatever opinion you want about me and what I did, but don't present as fact mistakes which no one else has alleged, especially when others (including me) disagree with you over the truthfulness of the allegations. I'm definitely not looking to open discussion on the matters with you again, but since this is going to be an archived discussion, I wanted to write what I have to get "both sides of the story" into the record.
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away from the island of Taiwan is a reason not to use Taiwan is simply a poor understanding about how the
English language works with pars pro toto names, and indeed with islands in general (it's not at all unusual to describe an island as being so far away from a country or continent or other body, even if in other situations the language describes it as part of it). As for your supposed "state again", you haven't once mentioned a move request of Fujian Province, Republic of China. In light of your many previous oppositions to moving subarticles to follow their main articles, it's good to see you now taking consistency to be not only an important criterion, but the only one of importance (and I note that the article at the top of all these trees is
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and that NYT quote comes in contrast to an article that opens with "KINMEN, Taiwan" (and is quite standard
English which could be used for any of the cases i mentioned). Your OR about whether or not something is "fully Taiwanese" is irrelevant to the article which as you note calls Xiamen the closest bit of China to Taiwan, and even describes Taiwan as a "democratic island chain" rather than an island. A further note on your assertion that "Fujian, Taiwan" is POV (despite being a quite banal and ordinary way to list "subdivision, country name"), if it was POV, that's not in itself a reason to change due to
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November 2012 close was at best questionable, the logic for recreation of the category seems unassailable. More important is that the underlying reason for the change in consensus -- the recognition that the real world does distinguish between male and female thespians, and that the actors themselves make this distinction when they recognize their peers -- has not been rebutted. The only claim offered for deletion is that the category had been deleted in the past, and there seems to be no reason to stand in the way of the change in consensus.
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much better. Even an ignorant person will generally be able to determine that something is a statement of faith, while determining what is or isn't a creed requires more familiarity with the context in which the creed or non-creed was produced. Moreover, an atheist or someone in a completely different religion who calls a certain statement a "creed" may attract criticism from members of that religion who don't see it as such, but it's much less likely that you'd get similar criticism against "statement of faith".
1010:. The category was deleted and there would need to be clear and convincing evidence that a new consensus was in place to support recreation. I would respectfully submit that such evidence is not present in this discussion. I don't feel that the decision on a subcategory should override the decision on the parent category. If this winds up being deleted, then perhaps we should reconsider the decision on the remaining subcategory. If someone has an issue with the first close, then take it to
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single out this category for dletion when its sister categories will stand. There is no logic to these arguments at all. To delete this category just to enforce the rules makes no sense at all. Anyway, your description is reverse of what happened. The decision was to keep the parent category, to keep all the other various actresses by nationality categories, and no one has even in any way ever attempted to explain anything that would make it so we can have
483:, however it got delted instead. There are some people who will object to the term "gfemale actor" as just plain unnedded. I am not very strong either way, but would point out that 99%+ of articles on females who act use the term "actress". Mainstream media still routinly uses the term actress, awards are still named with the term "actress", so the claim the term is either "inapropriate" or "outdated" is not supported by the facts.
3354:) but I suppose consensus can change. However, I still find the arguments for deletion compelling and even more so in the present case. The core concerns are that this category poses basic BLP and ethics problems without providing much encyclopedic value and that the category system is unable to deal with the fact that terms such as "rape" and "gang rape" have different meanings in different cultures and even more markedly different
3460:. Once again this is about the categorisation of a single article, about an incident that I hope does not get forgotten quickly. In English law it is illegal to publish the victims of rape; and in all jurisdictions they deserve the protection of their identity. We cannot have the exisiting category name, but cases such as this certainly deserve to be recorded, accordingly my suggestion.
523:-- with minor exceptions where cross-dressing is the norm, actresses do not play male roles or vice versa. I suspect that actresses have had an agenda that they are female actors and should be paid equally with men, but that does not stop them being actresses. This is a profession where the gender of the person is highly relevant, unlike lawyers, accountants, etc.
199:. There is no goood reason to even discuss this category without discussing its sister categories. This one category nomination is highly irregular. Beyond that there are awards giving for best actress and best supporting actress. Acting is a gendered profession and men and women in general fill different roles. The fact that
4081:. Fujian, Taiwan, is although a good example of how the English language isn't perfect, isn't an oxymoron, nor is it unique. "Gozo, Malta", "Klein Curaçao, Curaçao", "Surtsey, Iceland", or even "Calf of Man, Isle of Man" are similar examples where a country shares the name of a large island in it, yet has other islands around it.
1948:. If that does not cover them all, we need to split the rest out. However, my suggestion should cover most. "Creeds" are a statement that is recited in the course of a church service, something that is not done in churches with a less formal liturgy. I do not accept the target for the parent category (q.v.).
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I erased the vote on the above comment. The ignorant one is whomever would look at my comment and interpret it in such a reductive, simplistic way. I didn't say it is "racist" (are you stupid?!!), I used an analogous parallel to make a point. The fact that the term is in common usage does not make it
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is not a strong one), and "Republic of China" is also in its way POV, due to the whole China conflict, say changing to that is not an escape to NPOV. Despite the unsourced assertions of others here, clearly Taiwan is synonymous to
Republic of China in describing the islands in question, and as noted
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didn't exist at all, and at the least I quote the NYT article as saying this: "the people of Kinmen feel closer to the mainland...than Taiwan". And the BBC: "Michael
Bristow recently visited the point in mainland China which is nearest to Taiwan..."; yes it does state "Taiwanese-controlled island of
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their career in local politics barely merits a passing mention, and plenty of those who play sport are notable for things other than their sporting achievements. The same goers for religious categories; in many biographical articles, the subject's religion barely merits a passing mention, whereas in
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First off labeling people as "victims" does not sound good. Secondly, we have the issue of deciding whether we allow people to self-identify, or require some sort of exterior verification. Thirdly, I am not sure there is any clear definition of "gang rape" as opposed to just "rape". We just plain
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Americans while the others exist. "Actress" is a common term for female humans who
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The categories parent was recreated and no one has given any reason at all to not have this category when we have the parent category. It was a whole month after the first close that the second close occured. It is clear here that there is not a consensus to delete. No one has given any reason to
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1) CFD Speedy is absolute, no matter your qualms; I suppose you never had, do not and never will have a substantive response to this. 2) A discussion of the individual islands is not a discussion on the overarching administrative division itself. 3) You yet again put words in my mouth (for your own
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1) The reason why, here, that only consistency with the subject article matters, is because of CFD-C2-D: "A rename to facilitate concordance between a particular category's name and a related article's name", most prominently, "Renaming a topic category to match its eponymous article". Since it has
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So, I just ran into this category today, and I finally decided to take action on whether or not we need this category, or should it be renamed to "Facilities of the United States Air Force realigned under the 2005 Base
Realignment and Closure Commission." This is because everything BRAC-related has
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I don't think "statement of faith" is more neutral than creed or that creed implies brevity. SoF is usually used by
Christians with an opposition to liturgical practices such as creedal recitation and carries that connotation. Creed should be used, however, because it is the most commonly used term
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1) Your own vaunted NYT source states quite explicitly that Kinmen does not identify with Taiwan. That is sufficient. It is not merely OR. 2) All of your sources refuse to mention the ROC province directly, and all of them at least on one occasion use "Kinmen is some 1XX km away from Taiwan" (i.e.
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The historical split of the province of Fujian a problem for anything. Taiwan being an alternative name for the
Republic of China is not an argument, it is a well established fact. No source I provided says the province doesn't exist (and discussing an island as part of a country is quite normal),
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The term "doctress" has existed. However, there are no teacher-ettes, or cookresses, etc.. Language changes when we make it change. We don't going around calling people "darkies" either, and there is a reason for that. I would hope
Knowledge might be on the cutting edge of 21st Century language.
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Catalonia wouldn't be in Spain). That sources do not mention a particular administrative division is not in any way a refusal to do so, and saying that sources mentioning that the islands are X km
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In a quick sample of about ten articles, I found that all but a few of them didn't mention BRAC at all, so it isn't clear that the resulting category would contain much. Also, "realign" seems to be bureaucratese for "move units around and close some bases." The fact is that you can look at any of
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per Peter. When we're referring to something that appears in numerous religions, we have to be really careful to have an appropriate title. Between the specifically Christian origin and generally Christian basis of "creed" and the purely descriptive nature of "statement of faith", the latter is
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Gender is "not a definable characteristic"? I guess someone needs to have that conversation to define the differences between men and women. But more importantly, the real world sees a difference that you seem to be unable to discern, as evidenced by millions of references to newspaper, magazine,
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as Keep demonstrates that the community consensus has changed. You reference two CfDs from 2006 that are hopelessly out of date and a November 2012 CfD that was closed improperly. In the wake of a strong consensus for retention at the December 2012 CfD across all nationalities, and given that the
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Arguing that a discussion of the islands of a category used to categorise islands is "no use" is an odd claim, as is your insistence that we find different sources for every level of a country's administration. There's no jumping the gun over the name Taiwan, it's been used for decades (and your
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the island). 4) As I will state again, all of your arguments are relevant for a requested move of Fujian Province, Republic of China, which, will never succeed, and as it stands right now, that is what the article is titled under, and in fact, that is the only criterion that has any importance.
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since the one article in this category is in the appropriate Rape in x category, I see no reason that it should not be deleted. Anyway, since the article is not about a person, we have nothing that even fits the name of the category in the category. I have been convinced this is an even worse
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each list several dozen categories of awards that are bestowed by dozens of film, television, theater and other industry groups that as a matter of course group actors and actresses (or male actors and female actors) separately. I know of no organization that bestows any honor in which male and
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None of the listed islands have the problem of being part of a greater province split with another state, namely Fujian. Categories on topics that do not deal with the nation as a whole must also be speedily renamed to match their parent articles, and therefore WP:UCN has less precedence with
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per Peterkingiron. This is a suitably wide term to encompass statements of different lengths, whereas "Creed" implies something fairly short. I think the main article may end up at "statement of faith"; a merger of four articles is being discussed at the same time as these categories, but its
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The more I read Vegaswikian's statement the more I come to realize he does not get what is going on. The issue involved is the keep of the parent, and the keeping of the 25 sister categories. The existence of a sub-category has never been a point of discussion. It is not the "remaining
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A category for gang rape cases wouldn't work either, because there's no universal definition of the term. In a number of jurisdictions, that distinction doesn't even exist (a rapist faces the same sentence whether he acted alone or as part of a group). Note also that we don't have a
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know is that these media sources do not mention the province at all, and your arguments are only useful to a silly, for-brinkmanship discussion on using "Kinmen, Republic of China" versus "Kinmen, Taiwan". Anything else is being a Sooner (i.e. jumping the gun) and borderline WP:OR,
915:'s above-referenced comments; category is ridiculously broad and unnecessary. Why bother having specific categories like film, stage, television, soap opera and musical theatre actors? Is there any actor article on Knowledge where there is a question regarding gender??
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The delete arguments are entirely unconvincing, grasping at the doctor/doctress dilemma and the results of CfDs from over six years ago. Regardless of the results of the improper close of the previous CfD for this category, the compelling argument here is the close of
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nor other current CFDs; it counted votes rather than weighing arguments. I meant to take it to DRV myself, but was too busy to take the time to set out the long list of failures, and rather sickened by the highly abusive responses of the closer when I pointed out the
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amongst articles on Canadian places, the province name has been removed from the title of the article where it is not necessary to disambiguate. All of Alberta's cities have been subject to this scrutiny, and many of its towns as well, it is about time that a
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act on stages or on film, so we shouldn't get rid of the name, and the importance of sex for casting means that we should distinguish between men and women in actor/actress categories â the best actor in the world won't have a chance at a female role.
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these articles and see that realignment is a constant feature of the history of every base, so while I would agree that BRAC itself is notable, it's not a defining characteristic except possibly for the bases which were closed on its recommendations.
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You're right in that that document doesn't seem to belong with the others, but it's hard to know what does belong in a cat of religious statements. "I am a Presbyterian" is a statement (religion). The problem is that the cat is a sub-cat of
545:, where consensus has rather clearly changed, above and beyond the fact that whatever remaining holdouts put forth arguments that are in direct contravention of the real world manner in which there is a clear distinction based on sex.
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and many others, so it is clearly done for some combinations of gender and occupation) and I am iffy on the by medium. The very high overlap of film actresses and television actresses makes me wonder if such categories are really
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claim of OR is simply ridiculous, as is your paranoia that editors are trying to delete the existence of a province, especially considering that both the current title and the proposed one have the name of the province in them).
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among many others. Since those are the other two categories I can think of that essentially involve performing I would say they are very close counterparts. For the record I did in the past try to get this category renamed to
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The big problem as I see it is that being a victim of a given crime is not neccesarily going to be a defining characteristic for everyone who suffers from that crime. I am not convinced that any "victim" category is really
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This is a repeat vote. The attempt to portray the term "actress" as racist or discriminatory shows a clear ignorance of the fact that it is still a very heavily used term, and the term used in a large number of main stream
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This is a very subjective category, and I would have to agree with the logic behind the 2007 close as well. Also, if the "parent" category, per se, was deleted, than there is no reason that this one should be here as well.
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is Christian in origin, it is increasingly used in non-Christian contexts, particularly among scholars. Also, the article "creed's" position in the category sorting suggests that this is the main article for the category.
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and several other categories were just kept at the end of the CfD and the fact that there is still open a discussion on the matter which is clearly treanding towards keeping such categories makes this nomination very odd
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journal articles and books that make a difference between men and women in acting. Most important is that actors themselves believe that acting is sex differentiated based on how they categorize themselves, as with the
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where the decision was to keep the actresses by nationality categories seem to apply here. In fact multiple people said specifically this category should be recreated, and no one has ever given any reason at all that
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in the Taiwan move requests "Republic of China" is far less known, and far less recognised, than "Taiwan", and so this move would actually make the category less recognisable rather than less confusing.
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Thirdly, the BLP concerns in the previous CFD are silly, because. If the rape is reported, we're not outing someone; if it isn't reported in reliable secondary sources, it shouldn't be in the article. --
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in most cases. As with many other categories, editorial discretion is required when categorising people in this way ... but that need for discretion does mean we should never categorise in this way. --
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the Oscars, Emmys, Tonys and Golden Globes, as well as the fact that the Screen Actors Guild, all distinguish distinctly based on sex, the argument that acting is "not gendered" carries no weight.
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are divvied up by sex we will have a rather effective organizational structure that is well-defined and manageable. Do you have anything else that would be a meaningful argument for deletion?
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and not this category. I know I should not mention other stuff to defend this category, excpet I fail to see how there is any way that those categories stand by this category falls.
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consider themselves Taiwanese and the proper name of the state is the Republic of China. In terms of using "of" versus "in", all other non-fictitious island categories use "of".
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with the latter being a subcategory of the former. Most articles seem to use the "doctrinal statement" language, but the creeds have a liturgical significance special to them.
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645:. What does gender have to do with acting? It's not a definable characteristic. Are we saying that there is a fundamental difference between the way men and women act?
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survived fine without this category for umpteen years so far. It will survive into the future without it. Also, delete related categories for uniform appearance.
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Please! We are all actors. The term "actress" is simply not necessary and is even insulting and offensive to many.
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Taiwan is sometimes used to refer to the big island, the change will help reduce confusion.--
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less inappropriate. And the fact that it's used by award-givers couldn't be less irrelevant.
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