1815:: I've looked at the examples in WP:OC#TOPTEN and hardly think the creators in the cultural canon can be compared to those in the "top 10", etc. I usually try to be as objective as possible in writing articles for Knowledge (XXG). I therefore thought it was important to point out that the Danish Cultural Canon was not universally accepted, and that there were some critical press reports and some unfavourable comments from politicians not in the government at the time (which is not at all surprising). The canon is, however, widely known throughout the country, especially in the schools, where the authors, artists, musicians, etc., are given the special attention they deserve, partly as a result of the canon. Many, if not most, of those in the canon have been included posthumously, unlike those who happen to win prizes during their lifetime. I tend to write articles mainly about Denmark and Luxembourg but the Latvians have also developed a cultural canon, very much on the lines of the Danish one, and the Dutch have a canon of literature. I hope sooner or later these will also be covered extensively in the EN Knowledge (XXG). If they are, we will probably see a similar need to categorize the creators involved. As for the "list" you suggest, the article
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I did read it carefully, and it's a pity that you appear not to have read the section you just quoted. Berlingske's remarks about the canon relate to its positioning in a politico-cultural dispute. They do not provide any evidence of the significance of the canon in relation to the literature or its
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may well be a modern society in a globalised world but that does not mean we have no merit as a nation or no right to national pride." This must be taken as a very positive statement. In any case, I do not believe the impact of the canon by third sources should be a criterion for categorization.--
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2192:, since it's for concepts and terminology related to habitat, rather than examples of habitats (i.e, habitat types). So I'd oppose the merge. Of course, I see a much bigger problem with the contents of the category - most of what's in there doesn't belong in this category at all.
1848:. Ipigott, your argument might persuade me if it was based on something other than your own assertion. I'm sure that you write in good faith, but you are arguing against the only reference so far on the canon's impact, your counter-argument needs references in reliable sources. --
1658:-- I think the creator has sought to bring together into a single category a series of fragmented aspects of the best of Danish culture. What we need is a further parent category bringing together the authors, composers and whatever may be left: possible
2158:) because their titles are terms used in "systems ecology and ecological restoration contexts". Categorization should be by characteristics of the topic, not by characteristics of the article title. This category also has the effect of incorrectly (see
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