692:. My first nomination on Syria categories has now been closed as merges and renames to "Ottoman Syria", after I withdrew the option of merging to Ottoman Empire. The question then arises as to what should be done with Syria categories from the preeciding period, before the Ottomans copnquered Syria in 1516. I am suggesting the policy that the period 1260-1516 should be categorised as either "Mamluk Syria" or possibly "Mamluk Empire". The whole tree contains 6-8 categories, which are supporting just two articles. In addition there is one for 1515 (currently, but probably incorrectly in "Ottoman Syria", which will need to be recategorised and a very few articles from the preceding period in sibling categories. The npoint is that Syria (as we know it today) did not exist as a polity until after WWI.
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vastly different for a 20th-century person who becomes permanently disabled, a 20th-century person who requires a one-hour trip to hospital for minor treatment, and a 10th-century soldier who is wounded by a sword or spear during a battle. For the first person, the experience might be significant to their notability; for the second and third, it most likely is not. Your proposal of "expanding it to cover military history" seems to hint at creating
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Japan on a date that is a holiday in Japan. Does the film then qualify? Or what about released all over the US, on say July 24th, which is a holiday in Utah? As long as the film opens in theatres in Utah on that day, does it count, even though people in
California and New York, who probably outnumber viewers of the film than those in Utah, would not see it as released as a holiday.
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Articles about people should be categorized by their reason(s) for notability (plus date-of-birth etc), not by things that have happened to them (however serious). This category contains articles about people who are notable for things other than being stabbed (being a criminal, pop star, king etc).
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A category, with limited exceptions, should reflect a characteristic that is both shared by all of its members and defining for them in a similar way. My point was and remains that the significance—in terms of a person's notability, and not just in context of their private life—of being stabbed is
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This is a horribly problematic category. Considering how many days are holidays in one place or another. Does the holiday have to be recognized where the film is primarily released. What about if a film released first on one date in the US and some other places, and then releases a month later in
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1606:; the arguments for deletion carry more weight as well as being more numerous. No objection to making a list of notable cases. For any cases that should be included in categories for violence, consider creating redirects e.g. "Stabbing of X". –
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