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defending a lawsuit over whether the statue may remain isn't worth it. Some may ascribe to that an inherent "political reason", but then the banality of such "political reasons" makes it non-defining. And one can never really ascribe motives to anonymous actors with any certainty and the speculation of reliable sources is still just speculation. Any of the recent statues torn down during the protests/riots in the US may be ascribed to "political reasons" but that proves too much. For those who are convinced that there is group hell-bent on white supremacy, one could claim that the various people whose deaths are being protested were killed for "political reasons" too.
1585:. First "dishonored" is undefinable; if someone urinates on it, puts graffiti on it, puts a mask on it (as done recently) is is "dishonored"? Does it matter why each of those is done? We cannot fathom the motives of usually anonymous actors. Hence, those items based on "political reasons" are probably subject to analysis, re-analysis, and what is political compared to good for one's image, "good for business", or just anger or not willing to spend the money to defend it? Those statues removed or destroyed keeps it simple and unbiased. 735: 1701:. In the detailing I have refined the description into "permanently dishounoured", so as to keep out any paint-thrown event. (However, maybe the restriction 'permanently' might be thrown out when/since only full articles about statues would be included? If the statue has its own article, it might be included then for being 'temporally' dishonoured. 1097:, founder of the Boy Scout movement but a fan of the Hitler Youth – removed from public display pending review yesterday. There have been two or three similar examples in London, with similar unsavoury pasts, that have been taken out of streets. Maybe they belong in art galleries or museums but do not merit the status of national hero! -- 1664:- About 'Statues': I initially used this word becasue it is well-defined overall. We could include other memorials, I think there should be some explicit "act of honouring" attached to it. When even more widened to "statues ... and symbols", the definition has no borders any more and would make the category less useful (example: 1760:, which to me would be very a usefull inclusion. Some argued that it is POV, while I think that our RS-policy prevents that, starting in the article itself (btw, isn't this same POV-argument working for "political reasons"?). Finally, I tried to explain that dishonouring is the exact opposit of "honouring ". Have a nice edit. - 1756:, "useless" or just wrong? Anyway, I count four editors who propose to remove this criterium wholesale (no "dishonoured/political motive" at all). Which removes the essence, and I cannot count that as issues with this word itself. Limiting all to "removed for political reason" (as you do) might work, but excludes 1609:
are well-sourced (by RS) by definition. This category is just using that, it does not redefine or re-interpret the article (which indeed would be POV). The example "if someone urinates on it" by itself does not qualify because of this (and it is not "permanently" btw, now a requirement). However, if
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dishonoring? Maybe, maybe not: artworks are regularly put in storage for any number of reasons. Is it permanent? Probably not. While there is plenty of room between putting it atop City Hall and melting it down to make a public toilet, there is no clear line for "dishonoured". What are the objective
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a "film about" category: what objective measure says how much about the subject must the film be; and what reliable sources tell us it's at least that much. This is a particularly egregious one of the genre, since a vast number (maybe most, maybe nearly all) of films have some familial relationships
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It seems fairly clear from the content that the intention of the category is indeed films about "individual named families (real or fictional)", & this seems an acceptable category. The proposed rename would cast the net even wider - too much so, imo. Yes, some purging is probably needed, for
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I agree with Marcocapelle, but would include destroyed with removed as somethings are left destroyed. The reasons are unfathomable; if done by the legislature (town or larger), they may be ascribed to "political reasons", but not necessarily as governments often remove statues because the cost of
1638:- First, the existence of this category, exact naming aside, is encyclopedically relevant. Roughly, it is the the intersection of 'statue', 'removed' and 'political reason'. From here, IMO, the next question is a better naming/definition. Not even by the nom, who proposed deletion in boldface, 1159:
Dishonoured is a loaded NPOV term and arguably not defining. It's exceptionally unclear, implies that the original statue was an honour, and further implies someone took an action to slight that honour. That's how I read it at first and I'm not the only one here who thinks that based on the
892:"Dishonoured" is an inherently vague, POV term. In Philadelphia, the Frank Rizzo statue was regularly spat on and vandalized with labels like "Racist". To many, that would be "dishonouring". The talk page discussion is looking for something "permanent". Now the statue is in storage. Is 1501: 779:
there seems to be a consensus that the category should not be deleted, and there is consensus that the current name should change, but there is no consensus on what it should be renamed to. Since there is consensus that the current name is inappropriate, I will move this to
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or decapitating the statue: turning around the "honour". I don't see why this is POV. There are enough reliable sources that describe a protest as a protest. Sure this question can rise with all political or social activities, but as long as we use guidelines as
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would be within its scope, which I think would be diluting it somewhat. Limiting the scope to works which have actually been removed would be better than having a category for public monuments under a cloud, which could potentially expand to infinite size.
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was last known as the Crusaders before the team folded after the 1939 season. The "Hilltoppers" moniker did not come into usage at the school in 1947. The football team was also known as the Saints and Tigers prior to being renamed the Crusaders. See also
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for example. More considerations?). All in all: I prefer to keep the word "dishonour" in the definition; claims that it is POV is missing the power of our reliable sourcing etc. policies. My secondary preferrence is "political protest" (before "political
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I'll just say that lots of statues are "removed" for all sorts of reasons - for example from display to storage in museums. The group collected here were all removed/destroyed for reasons that (broadly construed) are political. Hence my suggestion of
1650:- In my opinion difficulty of wording, when the difficulty is only in the exact bordering of a word's meaning, this does not qualify for deletion; improvement and clarification (for example in the category page introduction) should solve it. 123:
of family (e.g. relationships), or individual named families (real or fictional)? If the former, it should be renamed. If the latter, major purging would seem to be in order (it seems a tricky distinction to make though).
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These 2 categories contain just one article and we are generally moving away from categorizing organisms (especially marine organisms) by country as it leads to large numbers of non-defining categories on some articles.
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it does not help a lot to restrict this to political motives, because there is no political motives tree which we can make this category part of. I would rather propose to include removals and destroyals for any reason.
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these doubts can be resolved. For Knowledge such a strive for NPOV in subtle issues is nothing new, and is not reason to eliminate a questioned concept like '(dis)honoured' and even extreme wordings like
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This category lacks objective criteria. What is "dishonouring"? Covering it with tar and setting it on fire? Moving it to a new location? Putting it in storage? Spitting on it? Allowing it to weather away?
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is the best solution (and purging statues that have not been removed). The fact that they have been "dishonoured" is of course interesting to mention in the articles but not a basis for categorization.
1046:. The issues with the current name are obvious, so I won't go on about them. The subject is highly topical, and defining - the nom does not address whether a category is needed in this area - it is. 1331:– " monuments and memorials" doesn't come under "statues'; it's the other way around. "Dishonoured" is POV, and considering the British spelling is not very idiomatic in British English. 1145:, "dishonoured" is nicely the opposite of "honouring" by erecting a statue, and intentionally has the 'political reasons' in it too. Also, qualification is by RS as always, not by POV. - 1111:"Dishonoured" is very subjective and POV and would need to be deleted if there wasn't an available alternative. Would prefer "Demolished or removed statutes" to just "Removed statues." 995:
to align with its subcategory, and purge any statues from the category that are still or again in place. Definitely do not keep the category under its current name, as too subjective.
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was not erected in honour but is an 'symbol'; should any (theoretical) protests make for inclusion?). This way, I support including 'monuments' in this category, and so in the naming.
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DePiep, the only thing everyone else here agrees on is that "dishonoured" is a completely useless word in a category name. Perhaps this is more obvious to native speakers.
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does cover removals of statues for political motives as well, I expect in real life the term "iconoclasm" is hardly ever used in a secular (non-religious) context.
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doesn't fit in the category as it currently is if its scope is statues. If it were just "removed and destroyed", without the "political reasons", something like
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inclusion criteria? There certainly aren't any included that I can find, and I can't dream up another term to convey whatever the category is intended to say. -
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The intent here seems to be statues that were vandalized or destroyed for political reasons but that has been going on for a long time:
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discussion. There's no reason why we can't have a removed statue category though and that would be defining, but this is an overreach.
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Also, this post gives me a first impression of "I don't understand it", instead of "Not a good idea, for these considerations: ...". -
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Not that subjective (POV?) IMO. Politcal protest is well-sourced (RS) to be included in the article, this being Knowledge. See also
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per nom, as is the standard naming convention when sports teams were known by a different nickname prior to their dissolution.
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If statues have been "dishonoured" but not removed it is barely a defining characteristic, that is why I still think that
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per actual content, after I moved three articles that were directly in this category to the appropriate continent subcat.
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is the only specific "incident" article currently in the category. So a rename is the obvious way to go for most of us.
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simple wording can lead to confusion... I believe many readers will find differences between "Films about Families" (
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Far too subjective a term for categorisation. Better to make a category for the incidents than for the statues.
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It fits into the iconclasm tree. Including ones "for any reason" makes the category too vague and broad.
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Seems awkward and clumsy, but I don't have a better idea either... I think we need some help from
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Yup, it has been going on a long time, but how is that a reason for deletion? In fact statues
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and seems too vague. (Favor renaming over keeping current name if no consensus to delete.)
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already serves as the topic category, so we may nominate that category for renaming to
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We have a lot of very broad film categories. I think this is defining, for example for
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With very few exceptions, the articles are titled as the artwork, not the incident;
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I think "political reasons" is not editor-subjective; those incidents having it
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iff the scope is narrowed and the category is renamed. Maybe something like
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This is indeed about specific families, not family as a social concept.
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I'm ok with that, though I still prefer "statues", or "sculptures".
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reasons (i.e., reason for removal is not used at all). But that is
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intends to say: do not keep the category under its current name.
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an argument the concept being unacceptable for the encyclopedia
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No, not just each and every "removal". This line of arguing,
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And also any appropriate subcats under hierarchies like
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Index

Knowledge:Categories for discussion
Log
June 10
June 12
talk page
deletion review
Good Ol’factory
03:28, 23 June 2020 (UTC)
Category:Films about families
Category:Films about family
Paul_012
talk
22:16, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
Little Women (2019 film)
Johnbod
talk
01:57, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Marcocapelle
talk
06:32, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Little Women (2019 film)
Johnbod
talk
14:57, 12 June 2020 (UTC)
Roots
The Roosevelts
Children's film
Paul McDonald
talk
16:16, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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