2132:"Horticulture" is certainly the larger topic; it includes in particular the growing & breeding of agricultural plants - really arable farmers are "horticulturists" too. A scheme with Gardeners as a sub-tree below them may be the simplest way, and is defensible. The vast majority of the articles in these trees relate to gardeners/garden horticulturalists (rose breeders etc) rather than wheat breeders etc. The current name is such a mouthful - if anything it should be "Gardening and Horticulture" reflecting the balance of the articles, and the alphabet. An awful lot of bio articles are in both trees, which is not necessary - we could try to define the terms more tightly. Personally the "inconsistency" doesn't bother me in the slightest, but I dare say there will be future drive-by attacks, although this is the first in 11 years. So almost anything, except the proposed speedies - which should certainly never have been proposed that way.
523:, education is a strongly defining factor in many people's careers, and the connexions made there which are reflected in the categorisation are significant. The example of Prince Charles is silly - if the defining characteristic is that he is heir to the throne then that is the only category we should have! Building on the use of Churchill as an example, that Churchill was a Harrovian who never went to university is actually a significant difference from all the Eton and King's types, or Balliol men, who infest our history. If, as OP claims, there are cases where a category is being used that is not supported by the content of the article, then the correct action is either to mention and source it in the article, or to remove the article from the category with an appropriate edit summary, not to delete the category.
473:. An utterly ridiculous nomination. Very clearly defining. I wonder what the nominator does actually think we should keep? This sort of nomination is an attack on the whole principle of categorisation. Many people are very definitely known for going to a particular school or university. In the example above, Churchill very famously went to Harrow. Frankly, this is the sort of nomination which makes me wonder why I bother to work on this encyclopaedia, and certainly why some others bother. The reason, if you're interested, is to impart information! Not to delete it. --
329:-the nominator should link to previous discussions (many of them). If there is no mention of the institution on the article then the category is unsupported and should be removed, as is the case with any category. All the subcats should be tagged. We routinely categorise by many factoids which have nothing to do with definingness: eg nationality, year of birth, year of death, and in any case it would be an incompetent article on Prince Charles which did not mention Gordonstoun or Trinity College.
450:. To take back the example, Edward VII and Ed. VIII are known for being British monarchs , not for having gone to Oxford, something which most people don't know nor care about.). If you can honestly pretend that there are more than very few nearly-hypothetical cases where "school X went to" is a defining characteristic, then you should demonstrate so (since positive proof of the contrary is much easier to find, if you are correct, than proof of the negative).
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2241:(including fertilisers) and preventing disease, pests, weeds, etc. with gardening implying a more amateur or less skilled activity, but market gardening is a variety of commercial horticulture, differing from that of a commercial nurseryman. The two concepts are so closely related that splitting would be impossible. I found gardening items in the horticulture tree and vice versa.
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649:'s father). There's a link to the 2022 Who's Who entry: "Selhurst Grammar Sch., Croydon; Peterhouse, Cambridge (MA)" and "Lectr, Imperial Coll., London, 1956–60; Lectr, Cambridge Univ., and Fellow of Peterhouse, 1960–64; Reader in Theoretical Physics, Oxford Univ., and Fellow of University Coll., Oxford, 1964–80 (Hon. Fellow, 1989)". Why no mention of
419:– this is a defining characteristic for me and all the people I know. I suspect for anyone that thinks otherwise, the information is not generally available. This is the sort of information that normally appears in biographical dictionaries, obituaries, etc., i.e., "one that reliable sources commonly and consistently define the subject as having" (
193:). In either case, the issue is widespread enough, and combined with number 1 and the sheer quantity of them, there's no reasonable way to expect this fundamental issue can be fixed. And, if something would require far too much editor time and ressources to be fixed, it is entirely justifiable to get rid of it, as it is helplessly broken.
850:. This is a solution in search of a problem, as discussed above. I am rather troubled by the increasingly subjective assessments of whether ABC is sufficiently "defining" to be worthy of inclusion - this is the kind of inconsistency, in fact, that policies are there to circumvent. 21:04, 6 December 2021 (UTC)
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per others and perhaps the majority of editors on wikipedia. Experience counts for adding categories for BLPs/bios. Once notability of the person has been established, educational categories are almost always added by wikipedians, slowly, democratically and by consensus. It is unlikely categories for
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The issue in the below speedy discussion is inconsistency between the top layer (not diffused to horticulture on the one hand and gardening on the other hand) versus the country subcategories (which are diffused to horticulture on the one hand and gardening on the other hand). There are two opposite
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Not a key issue here, but I don't like that definition (which has not survived). Rather, arable agriculture is a sub-set of horticulture, which covers all forms of plant-growing (so also forestry). Whether botany, as the theoretical and scientific side, is the level above or below horticulture I'm
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military and political leader; ...) B) birth and death years are plausible search terms, and are also consistently and commonly given by biographical sources (even if they are not nice adjectives or nouns...). Even if your comparison was somewhat accurate, we're not discussing those categories, but
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for the school and religious institutions ones. I have no objection to weeding out any categories that pertain to specific non-notable or only minimally notable institutions but, for notable institutions, these are perfectly normal, relevant categories that are a net benefit to the project. If the
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we categorize people by the institution they got degrees from/studied at. Mentioning who they studied under/were advised on a disertation by in the article is often justified if sourceable, but not every point in an article is worth categorizing by. This would lead to a huge increase in both the
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12 years ago, and looking back at the brief discussion, it was because there was some overlap between the terms horticulture and gardening. While there are articles which are on gardening, and articles which are on horticulture, there were some which were more diffuse. Before deciding to remove
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is not a good argument. Something appearing in an in-depth biography (along with many other facts, not each of which is worthy of an independent category) is not a sign this is a "defining characteristic". Encyclopedic subjects (unlike you and your friends) are not usually notable for their
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We now have two objections, so the speedy was clearly wrong (by definition, as quoted above)! There are all sorts of issues here. I don't have an issue with the "by country" aspect, but the vast majority of the items in all these categories are gardening-related. Gardeners can be called
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173:. I have yet to see anybody notable where the defining characteristics of their notability include the place they went to school (the few exceptions might be something like "first women to graduate from X" or something like that, but those would invariably be
2690:, much appreciated. I can only comment on the categories I have seen, but I would personally suggest that the category tree be renamed accordingly with non-Waffen-SS units migrated to separate categories, if necessary, on a basis to be decided. —
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252:, are you planning to add a notification template at the beginning of the category page of every category to be discussed? (For nominations involving large numbers of categories, help adding these templates can be requested at
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1188:"horticulturalists", but so can arable farmers and plant scientists (who don't seem to have a category), who aren't in here. A proper discussion is needed, not what seemed to have been a drive-by nom of all these.
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1394:Category:Horticulture and gardening in New Zealand
3146:, where some of her students are mentioned, e.g.
1601:Category:Australian horticulturists and gardeners
1535:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Uzbekistan
181:factoids which serve little encyclopedic value.
2476:Category:Navigational boxes by topic and country
1794:Category:Taiwanese horticulturists and gardeners
1776:Category:Pakistani horticulturists and gardeners
1767:Category:Norwegian horticulturists and gardeners
1276:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Australia
1254:Category:Horticulture and gardening by continent
1091:. I do not have the answer to that question but
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1857:Category:Romanian horticulturists and gardeners
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1803:Category:Austrian horticulturists and gardeners
1758:Category:Nigerian horticulturists and gardeners
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1553:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Scotland
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1320:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Ethiopia
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1636:Category:English horticulturists and gardeners
1623:Category:British horticulturists and gardeners
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1544:Category:Horticulture and gardening in England
1496:Category:Gardening in the United Arab Emirates
1447:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Romania
1407:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Nigeria
1341:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Germany
1285:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Belgium
1263:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Ireland
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217:Category:Lists of people by school affiliation
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1491:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Uganda
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1372:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Mexico
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1363:Category:Horticulture and gardening in Japan
1354:Category:Horticulture and gardening in India
1311:Category:Horticulture and gardening in China
798:per longstanding common practice, but amend
1992:pinging contributors to speedy discussion.
1505:Category:Horticulture in the United Kingdom
3022:Category:Doctoral students of Emmy Noether
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1509:Category:Gardening in the United Kingdom
1377:Category:Horticulture in the Netherlands
254:Knowledge talk:Categories for discussion
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1772:Category:Pakistani horticulturists
1763:Category:Norwegian horticulturists
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1567:Category:Gardeners by nationality
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1628:Category:English horticulturists
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1531:Category:Gardening in Uzbekistan
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1871:Category:16th-century gardeners
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1290:Category:Horticulture in Canada
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1549:Category:Gardening in Scotland
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1723:Category:German gardeners
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1009:copy of speedy discussion
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