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The decision back in 2011 was a horrible one. We have way too many people in 5 or more by term categories and it is leading to way too may category clutter. Categories should be a few key points, not fine minutia like listing of everything. That someone was in a legislative body is enough to

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is by definition only a thing in cases where the name is ambiguous. In cases of ambiguity, a full discussion is required, and this is helpful as it leaves a record of the decision, which is easily traceable using "what links here". –

1361:. It irks me that simplistic C2D category moves such as these are often derailed by editors who think that the world will end if we name categories eponymously. If anything, keeping it as is does the opposite of aiding navigation. 780:

per nom. Though I have to say, I have no idea how this current system of using abbreviations that might not be clear for people outside the field (and I count myself with those people) is still around. Category names such as

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Okay, I'll bite. Would you care to elaborate? C2D exists to resolve ambiguity, and if consensus has determined a page as the primary topic, the category isn't ambiguous. There's no changing my mind on this issue.

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A category created by a user who this was their second to last edit over 6 years ago, and who is also its only member. Additionally, the page associated with the category,

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In previous CFDs, British and other European categories by term were kept in 2011, but Canadian and Alaskan categories were recently deleted; for links, see

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article is no longer "KSI (entertainer)", it is now simply "KSI". Therefore, the titles of KSI-related categories should be updated to reflect this change.

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I have done big AWB runs to find and fix biogs of TDs and MPs and MSPs to ensure that they have the appropriate expansion in the lead — e.g. "

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I'd say Oculi is rightly referring to the category tree and our responsibility to treat the US military just the same as others. --

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only from 2021 election. The new name Senedd was only recently adopted so that they were AMs for most of the old assembly term.

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point number 4 address this. To be clear, I don't oppose the above proposal as it isn't an issue in only one category.

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I believe it is normal practice for categories to use the final name rather than the initial name for the topic. –

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It irks me when editors don't follow or understand the guidelines yet think they do. C2D exists for a reason.

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I prefer the brevity of "MSs", and per my comment above, spelling out "Members of the Senedd" is un-needed. --

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due to only one of these categories being nominated. Since May 2020, Welsh Assembly Members (AMs) are called

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in 2013 and appears to have remained stable so we should defer. (If that's a bad article name,

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