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reception aerial. While I don't mind having this information tabulated, I can't imagine how you could put it on a page of manageable size, even just for the UK. There are about 100 major digital TV transmitters in the Uk, plus more analog ones and radio. This is useful information to people who like to mess about with TV receivers. This kind of information is very analogous to the parliamentary constituency data, which has many small articles with similar data about one place, which is very boring until you need it. One list for every country in the world arranged by height (technically the least interesting thing) is hopelessly un-usefull.
1783:, after it is merged, one should then turn the article into a redirect and delink it. These articles are excellent examples of organic growth. Interesting histories, pictures, ideosyncratic antenna arrangements, connections and external links that require good descriptions fit very well into the relatively free article format, and they tend to show clear signs of growth with age. Why is it thought necessary to change from the status quo? It all comes back to the question: what's the point? It seems like you have what you think is a solution, but what is the problem that it's supposed to solve? --
1311:. In the first proposal people who will probably would never willingly research and write or add to an article on a mast are being asked to opine on whether the greater part of the class of masts should be turned into merged-redirects and new mast articles made extinct. In the second proposal I'm trying to be nicer, recognising that the effects foreseen by proposal 1 are exceedingly unlikely ever to happen, and giving some advice to those considering listing a mast article for deletion.
1935:. Not so much because I have any preference for the present layout, but because the drawbacks of the proposed table seem to me to be comparable to the present system; and it will be an enormous task to transfer the information (and since it's in all different formats, it's not something that can be automated), and there must be more pressing tasks on Knowledge (XXG). The table as represented in the demo won't even accommodate most of the minor masts, as Tony pointed out.
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about reception. This is a vastly encyclopedic topic--a mast that stands prominently in a location (even though this one is out in the middle of nowhere--I've walked on
Blanchland Moor and seen this one from miles away), broadcasts signals into millions of homes, and is licensed by a regulating authority tends to gather a history. I don't think it would be possible to reduce this all to a table.
647:, where several people asked for categories to be removed entirely. I do not personally agree that Categories are Bad (in fact, I love them and would want to obviate many lists for that very reason) but in present software implementation, there is significant opposition. Also note that, for performance reasons, categories are not supposed to have a couple hundred articles in them.
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masts themselves. We could have a policy on masts but in practice it would be pretty useless because as soon as someone comes along with anything remotely interesting to say about a mast (and this has already happened in most of the cases I've looked at) they'd just have to split the article out again. A completely pointless policy that only creates more work. --
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course for individual small masts used for mobile phone services, there is no article required. But radio masts taller than 100 metres or used for strong long-, medium- and shortwave transmitters should be kept, if their existence is real. In my opinion articles of real existing architectural structures have a greater relevance as those about fictional objects.
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Once more, note that the cat system is somewhat controversial. It doesn't always work on mirror sites, for one. Also, a list of related things is far more useful for referencing purposes than individual stub pages. It is not about the 'honor' of having an own article - it's about the accessibility of
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Support - any notable mast, i.e. one for which more than a stub could be written, can always have its own article if necessary - location, height and date built are not enough for an article (or do we want millions of articles which say "My house is 11 metres tall, was built in 1997 and is located at
1049:, built to transmit radio programs across the US prior to the invention of satellites. There are probably several thousand of them, built about 25-30 miles apart. They are almost always the tallest structure in town, and I would consider them no more worthy of encyclopedia articles than individual
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English speaking Knowledge (XXG), if the structure is real existing. Is there a problem with too much articles in Knowledge (XXG)? I think disk space gets cheaper and cheaper from year to year and there is no reason any more, to keep the number of articles restricted. Of
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My concern if those articles are left is they set a standard of how little it takes to make an encylopedic article. I have a few articles being developed. Some are in tables and others are in other articles. That works if some cases, but not all. Not every mast is likely to get a good article
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I'm not really that bothered about people listing for deletion overzealously, because in the long run this does little damage to
Knowledge (XXG) and I think we all go through that learning curve. And what to me seems overzealous may to others seem just fine. It all gets sorted out in discussion.
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The intent of this proposal is to track the observed organic growth of mast articles. Masts may well be anonymous, unvisited things in some locations, whereas in other locations (such as my own country where you're seldom more than thirty minutes walk away from a habitation) they are very familiar
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This article I think is fine. It's a unique and recognizable part of the skyline, there's contextual information etc. But I would be careful about listing its height as a justification for the article's existence... there could be (and probably are) 1,000 tall towers located in prairie towns pop.
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This proposal fails to appreciate the flexibility of the category system. The lists of masts article will be dead to everyone but mast enthusiasts. Individual mast articles can be allocated to the appropriate locality, where they will be seen by the people most likely to be interested in them, that
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Just out of interest, noticing that a mast I've heard of wasn't there, I thought I'd document it. I'm totally uninterested in them so I had to start from scratch. In almost no time I had found an existing picture of it on
Knowledge (XXG), had historical information on it, and OFCOM and BBC data
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Maybe it would be good if somebody constructed a sample table containing all the merged information for a half-dozen or so masts, so we could see what it would look like. There's a tradeoff between consolidation and usability that would be easier to balance if we had something concrete to inspect.
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No, the proposal is to advise people considering listing a mast for deletion to check its age, and consider leaving it to grow if it's new. People who don't think mast articles should exist in the first place can still list and may even successfully have some mast articles deleted. whatever their
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columns to it, plus greatly increase the width of the "Location" (née "Country") column. While I like having all the information in one place, it's much harder to access if you have to scroll horizontally, or will be hard to read if the text wraps much more (which will happen if the table width is
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I think this is where I differ. I can't see the point of trying to cram all those external links into a table when they're perfectly fine in a list at the end of the article. Moreover the minute someone uploads a picture or wants to write a bit more about the history you need to escape out into
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But clearly there are such people engaged in doing just that. The articles listed as candidates for merge have one thing in common--they're all pretty new articles. The older articles tend be more interesting because people come along and add stuff. I happened to write a better stub than most
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I would still suggest that many of the articles Tony
Sidaway cites could be comfortably merged. Sites with multiple masts can have multiple rows in the table; the first column can be merged vertically to link them all together. Information about transmitter power and wavebands can go under the
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I don't really see the point of this policy. These mast articles are a pretty heterogeneous bunch (astonishingly so--you'd think a mast was a mast wherever it was). Some masts have interesting stories, others come with links to satellite photographs, others have rather pretty photographs of the
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Could a mast-fan please give an example of an article on a notable mast? Except for the possibility of a very, very few historically interesting masts 99.99% of these seem like simple recitation of uninteresting directory-style information. Individual articles are a fundamentally stupid way to
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I would vote "keep" for a mast article if aliens were involved in a spectacular collision with a revolving restaurant. Maybe even the second place it happened. But few other masts come close to notability. The other thousands should just be listed with no redirect since so few have meaningful
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whatever people are interested in posting here. Facilitate the mast enthusiasts, not alienate. Articles can be categorized, linked from locations, radio stations, or other places. I don't think such links to a monolithic list would be nearly as useful to the readers. Sure, masts are boring
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I just looked up a transmitter on wiki, since I needed some information, and found the article in question had the relevant transmitter frequency information. From my point of view, the purpose of a transmitter is to send out a signal, and I want to know its frequency, strength, and appropriate
878:, and so forth). It's easy enough to put a navigation template on all of them, and it would (hopefully) make both editing and reading the list easier. If the proposal here gets a thumbs-up, then I might just create a masts Wikiproject to formulate consensus on the gory details of refactoring
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without either loss of existing information or a high probability that someone will just have to revert to the existing version to add some information that won't fit there, then do so. You don't need a global consensus to do it. The answer to the problem of people listing mast articles for
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The other reason for this policy proposal is that it is a (hopefully) nondestructive compromise. A number editors have independently nominated several of the stubbier mast articles for deletion in recent weeks. This merger would preserve the information, avoid clogging VfD with further mast
1200:, if not all, mast articles become more informative with time. The ones that tend to get listed for deletion are the newer onces. I'm only concerned that premature deletion of articles may tend to hamper this natural growth (though I doubt it could have much effect in the long run). --
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For what it's worth, I agree with you. Maybe drop a note on the talk page of the article, and then be bold and merge away. I'm just going with this policy discussion here because merging a family of hundreds of articles is a mammoth job, and we want to get it right the first time.
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as 800 of them listed. Estimated size of the current list using the proposed format is 300*800=240,000 bytes. That is more than 7 times the maximun recommended size of 32KB. And the list is supposedly still growing. How many mast are there in the world? Second, is this even
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is locals. Knowledge (XXG) should be organised in a way that maximises the amount of interesting information people will come across unexpectedly. It is not just a academic resource for people who have to write an essay and know what they need to look up to get it done.
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If I'd been the one to create that article, it would have started with a single line. It could have been VfD'd and deleted before I got back to adding to it. Had that happened to my first article, I don't think I would have come back to WP any time soon. For example,
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But with a smaller text font, they would be okay. Most masts need only this as the total of their encyclopedic content, and the significant ones can be linked from the table, and the few people who care can find them from the list or from searching on the tower name.
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The discussion has ran for over two weeks, and there is a 22-to-6 majority in favor of merging mast stubs. Since few if any things on a Wiki are ever unanimous, I'd say 78% is a very good consensus. Thus I'm closing it now. This is a summary of
Proposal One, below.
1318:? It isn't gonna happen. There are dozens of masts like this in my country. They won't conveniently fit into some table and they're not deletable under the current deletion policy. I strongly suspect that the same applies to the masts in most other countries. --
1766:, but the articles are barely six weeks old! Some of the articles I listed, as it happens, are nearly five months old and all show clear signs of organic growth. One of those in my list that I agree could be tabulated, it turns out, has only been around since
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I share your concerns about the size of the table. On the other hand, if we're reasonably sensible about the order of the columns, then I suspect that most readers won't want to scroll anyway. To be honest, I'm actually not sure what purposes people actually
669:. Cats are much more versatile than lists for this kind of application. If someone wants to dupe vital statistics in a list, fine, but use of individual articles seems the best way of presenting this information. Looking at random at some of the towers on
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The proposal is well-intentioned, however it is only practical it if the List of Masts article is broken up by country (and in some large countries, by state/province). If not it will end up being so massive as to be impossible to negotiate in any useful
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This is generally fine. I'm sure that there are exceptions, e.g. an interesting article could be written about an unusual transmitter/tower site like
Columbia/Pea Island off New Rochelle, NY, but most of these things are just sticks in the ground.
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this list for, so I'm not sure how best to optimize it. Another option which bears serious consideration is breaking up the list somehow. Since it's already sorted by height, I might suggest breaking the list down into a series of lists
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alongside the date of first edit and the number of edits to date. I'll probably keep expanding this list. I think it shows clear organic growth in the articles. Information is added as time goes on. The now rather impressive
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method of browsing, but individual articles are better points for adding data to. (Finally, if someone wants to list my small recorded edit count under this user name, please have the courtesy of signing your post when you do
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masts. I believe a reasonable compromise would be to merge short mast articles into lists, and if and when substantial information is added on a mast, it can be 'broken out' and get its own article in addition to the list.
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tied to window width). If additional information must be "substantial" to warrant a separate article, then relatively minor additional information will have to be incorporated into this table also, further cluttering it. —
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because I was concentrating on a single mast, I got lucky with the photo, and of course I may have a good eye for significant history. Leave the other articles around and the same will happen, sooner or later, to them. --
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Support. What's the point of scattering information in isolated fragments when you can present many related pieces together so they can be viewed in a single glance? Truly notable masts can always have their own articles.
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I realize that you made this proposal as a compromise between the deletionists and the inclusionists, and if it falls through we'll still have to make a "deletion policy" for masts (as the title of this page suggests).
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I don't find that a very compelling reason to oppose. Sure, there are lots of other things to be done, but if people want to work on this, let them. I'd be happy to chip in a couple of masts. Teamwork is light work :)
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Support. Radio masts are not inherently encyclopedic (or interesting) on their own, but most should probably receive mention somewhere, and I cannot see any reason why not to support mentioning them in an article like
67:, used to television or radio broadcasting.) Most of these articles have little or no content beyond the geographical location of the mast, its date of construction, its height, and—for a U.S. entry— a link to its
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Warsaw Radio Mast is impressive and a good article, but I can't say the same about the WOI tower for instance. How about we merge all stubs on masts, and break them out again if and when more information is added?
690:. Obviously someone cares enough to post a LOT of these in the Knowledge (XXG). Since Knowledge (XXG) is not paper, it has the potential to fully contain hundreds of sets of articles in categories that serve as
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I do not see any that could easily be trimmed down to just the contents of the table on that list. It seems that like other articles they tend to grow organically, which is what
Knowledge (XXG) is good for.
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Thanks for the first iteration, Wahoofive. I poked at the narrow version of the table a bit, and I think it's salvageable. As Barno mentioned, perhaps judicious use of small fonts might be used as well.
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so much as whether the information should be in one big article or a bunch of little articles. Stub articles are only good if they have significant potential for expansion, and I'd say 95% of these don't.
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so much as whether the information should be in one big article or a bunch of little articles. Stub articles are only good if they have significant potential for expansion, and I'd say 95% of these don't.
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into a table without loss of information? Among the information in that article, you've got its proximity to another mast, a good satellite photo, and links to registration information and whatnot. --
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pick and choose my starting point to slant the results, aside from selecting an American mast). All of the following could be merged; in fact many lack all of the basic information for the table.
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Every article that I started here was started with a one line post that I came back to later. I don't want to stamp THIS IS MINE! on a new article, so I start very small. Have some patience. --
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So is it your proposal that all mast pages should be kept? (i.e. when they come up on VfD in the future, we would refer to this policy, if enacted, as an argument for inclusion?) All masts? —
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I agree with 1 and 2, but since they are pretty obvious, I assume your proposal is actually about point 3 and 4. I would like to see evidence of point 3, because I am far from convinced that
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Support. It's not likely that everyone of these is encyclopedic. Those that are can keep their own page. Value is obtained by including good articles, not by trying to have more articles.
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This would be a far superior presentation of this information; easier to make comparisons between masts, and to identify those masts about which there is something interesting to write.
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In WOI, I see height, location, purpose, coordinates, year of building and another tower that is close by, and a bunch of external links. I'd say that fits pretty well in the table.
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that adds to information on a specific mast, even a picture of graffiti at the base of it, is enough of a reason to give it's own article, linked to from the list, of course.
1348:, and not for nonsense or a copyvio! This is NOT a way to encourage new Wikipedians! Some VfD nominators have been acting like disk storage personally costs them money. --
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is far, far more than a "list." The table, along with a few sentences of explanation, should stay, but the large amount of explanatory material up top should be merged into
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names and well known landmarks. I think the best way to find out which is which in an individual case is to give the article at least six months to grow. --
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Thanks to WP advanced search abilities, there is no need to worry about having hundreds of small articles aslong as they are associated with categories.
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Well, I guess it boils down to Eventualism vs. Immediatism, or the price of a stub. Let's agree to disagree for now, we'll see what consensus says.
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Mast articles tend to show organic growth over a period of months, so listing of mast articles younger than six months for deletion is discouraged.
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Let's look at the articles that you're apparently suggesting could be merged in and redirected. The information on these towers is pretty sketchy
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If doing something to facilitate a mirror site reduces the value of the main site in any way, that's not something I would ever support doing. --
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I'm more concerned about this attempt to make new policy, really. Proposal 1, and even proposal 2 to a lesser extent, show symptoms of
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area? As far as I'm aware, every last one of them is in the county, rather than the city, and most of them are closer to suburbs like
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As a side point, you are correct that this page is somewhat misnamed. I'll add a notice to the Policy Consensus page reflecting that.
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kind of information, in my opinion. Do we aim on gathering technical data on every set of objects in the world? Do we want a
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present this information because it would be extremely rare to want to look them up one-by-one instead of by region or type.
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In my opinion, "substantial" additional information would be things like "the mast has a revolving restaraunt halfway up". --
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and see how the tables look. I think they look like crap and will be much less useful than the present system. —
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deletion is for those people to stop listing mast articles for deletion.
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01:03, 28 Apr 2005 (UTC). Almanac-like information in almanac-like form.
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use a little more than an average 300 characters per mast. The current
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I've created a version of the wide table that uses a smaller font. --
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age--that would still be decided by consensus. No problem there. --
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is a 466.5 metre high guyed mast of Outlet Broadcasting Inc. at
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nominations, and (again, hopefully) add value to the table at
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And how accurate is Radiant's repeated claim that cats are
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Knowledge (XXG):Votes for deletion/South Dakota TV Tower
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I can also see the opportunity to have separate lists
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took over six months to get beyond three paragraphs.
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500 that are "the highest structure in the city." ·
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71:registration information. For example, the entire
2220:Des Moines Hearst-Argyle Television Tower Alleman
1931:With great reluctance, I have changed my vote to
613:Should we even care what works on mirror sites?
1999:On the organic growth of mast articles over time
1863:, this discussion would be entirely superfluous.
1694:South Dakota Public Broadcasting Network Tower
1571:: antenna details, ext link to owner details.
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1704:Spectra Site Communications Tower Orange City
819:names, let alone encyclopedic significance.
141:Clear Channel Broadcasting Tower Caesars Head
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1314:Can you imagine someone successfully VfDing
1601:Possibly suitable for tabulation at present
1573:Possibly suitable for tabulation at present
467:No. 7 Somewhere Street, Nowheresville"?).
161:South Carolina Educational TV tower Sumter
1679:Pacific and Southern Company Tower Lugoff
1674:Clear Channel Broadcasting Tower Rosinton
364:Very good idea. Comprehensiveness is a
149:Barnacle Broadcasting Tower Port Royale
1719:Northland Television Tower Rhinelander
1196:My investigations so far suggest that
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137:Southeastern Media Tower Beech Island
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1684:Young Broadcasting Tower Garden City
876:List of masts taller than 500 meters
872:List of masts taller than 600 meters
1775:Oh I don't deny that a few of them
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1563:Mediumwave transmitter Mainflingen
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2003:Here's a table of articles from
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1591:Transmitter Villebon sur Yvette
18:Knowledge (XXG):Deletion policy
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1597:Transmission Tower Lindenfels
1541:Mediumwave transmitter Bremen
1346:VfD'd in less than 15 minutes
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1699:Gray Television Tower Madill
1689:Gray Television Tower Carlos
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1900:List of masts/Sample tables
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1227:comments on this proposal
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906:List of masts by location
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844:I wonder if the table in
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1798:Vastly encyclopedic data
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1547:Transmitter Weisskirchen
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157:Cox Radio Tower Security
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902:List of masts by height
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1047:microwave relay towers
910:List of masts by owner
1579:Transmitter Roumoules
129:South Dakota TV Tower
55:Issue for discussion
2315:Hearst-Argyle Tower
1585:Transmitter Marnach
1557:Transmitter Ehndorf
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2054:7 November
1363:Discussion
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406:User:Mulad
366:Good Thing
203:column as
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449:manner.--
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2187:15 April
2168:15 April
2149:11 April
2130:31 March
2092:28 March
2018:Article
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569:redirect
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513:Dpbsmith
503:R. fiend
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383:RussBlau
309:Carnildo
301:Katefan0
205:Location
95:See Also
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2225:1 March
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1921:Nabla
1777:could
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1225:Brief
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