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discussion of the matter whatsoever, and no opurtunity to fix any problems that may have existed. A couple of spammy words like "pure" and "unique" can be fixed in an instant with a trivial edit. Suggesting that a "major rewrite" is necessary to fix the problem is laughable. Also, now that it has been completely wiped clean, we cannot see the reasoning behind the "speedy" tag being added in the first place. We cannot know WHO added it, or what their motives might have been. As JavaTenor points out below, the

857:. I am too swamped to do it today, but I will do so in a day or two if no-one else has. Infobox is a standard "brewbox" that lists their active and seasonal beers (and is now accurate, something it hadn't been for awhile). What would you trim (now that it's been corrected)? I'm certianly not "sniffy" about G11 itself; G11 is necessary, to be sure. But this was an example of a gross missapplication of G11. Look at the page's history for cryin' out loud! 687:(edit conflict) Disagree with Jeff. "The company brews its beer with the pure water of the artesian wells in Abita Springs.... Abita's root beer unique in that it is sweetened with raw cane syrup, as opposed to sugar or corn syrup." This is spam. Not the author's fault, given that the article is apparently sourced only from the company's website. Best thing to do would be to start over using content from 2067: 3888:- I can't believe this even got deleted. Much more of this and I'm going to start agreeing with Badlydrawnjeff. (Then my head will explode.) One millisecond of a look at Google will tell you that this is a major contender in the audio market. POV issues with articles about large companies are generally not solved by deleting the article. 181:]. I am a software developer for the 3rd largest software company in the world, and I would be more than happy to have any one of you email me at my work email address. I have been working hard to find references for the article and came back to add some, only to find it gone. My account is not a single-purpose account, the 1184:, allow recreation when there are substantive reliable sources to make more than a stub. Crotalus' reasoning is correct. Also, press releases and interview-for-promotional-purposes fluff on websites with little or no fact-checking don't rise to the level of attributability needed for a topic to have a standalone article. 3333:

have nothing to with self identification or a sense of belonging to a people is wrong. If you get what you want in deleting these categories there will seem to have been no Jews who did anything throughout history because they were always citizens (often not even full citizens) of various states. Is that what you want?

3016:, as in the history of mathematics, the Abbasids are probably second only to the Ancient Greeks in importance.) But anyway, so what? This still isn't relevant to the current debate. Basically, you're engaging in special pleading for this ethnic group. All members have had nationalities! My people, the 3705:

This category has been debated at length on its talk page (unfortunately not visible to participants here) and twice at CfD, with no consensus to delete. It is wrong, therefore, to delete it without a proper discussion on its own merits as opposed to those of say Hindu mathematicians. As a non-Jew, I

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I can see this article being a magnet for all kinds of cruft and speculation dressed up as original research and I'm positive that recreating it is going to soak up resources keeping it clean when there is still not very much to say about it. Do we have a guideline on articles about future events? If

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There is no point being sniffy because the foundation had to introduce G11 to deal with the amount of free advertising that our donations are subsidising so I suggest that some of those contributors laying into the deletion chill somewhat. That said, the article is clearly notable but needs a rewrite

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So, it received a speedy tag and was deleted 1 hour later. This article, about one of the larger craft breweries in the United States, had existed hapily on wiki for years. "Swift" deletion, of such a long-established article was entirely inapproporate, as the 1 hour from "tag" to "poof" allowed no

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People who were interested in the category were not informed of it's potential deletion on their watch pages because no cfd was put up... and so lost an opportunity to try to keep it. 3 is not an argument. CFD isn't a popularity poll. Contributors to Hindu mathematicians and Christian mathematicians

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article just happens to be my first go at Knowledge (XXG). Unlike you Knowledge (XXG) masters, I had a hard time finding something to write about that didn't already exist on Knowledge (XXG), and since I am a jewelry collector - I figured this would be a good place to start. If anyone had bothered

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is grievously biased towards the status quo as it is, and will break down altogether if people insist on always encouraging those with vested interests to throng to discussions. It is better to leave decisions to those who are interested in categories, rather than to call in all the pressure groups

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Tom regarding your opposition to all Jewish categories please think about this. Jews did not have their own state until the 1940s after 2000 years of being denied one by the Romans and the Ottomans. The idea that categories related to state and occupation are only related to the geographic area and

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More than 1 of the overturn voters are Jewish, so they are over-represented. I find your attempts to intimidate me into not exposing bias in this case highly offensive and prejudiced, and an attack on free expression. The question here is whether Knowledge (XXG) is a good faith attempt to create a

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So cleverclogs you still haven't defined when or where Arab was a nationality? Arabs are just people who speak Arabic language, they are not a homogenous ethnic group and are likely much less related to each other than Jews. Jews are a diaspora that have been denied a state for two thousand years-

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I keep reverting your retitling of the section for one reason, but on two counts:Redundancy. "Future of Spider-Man"...are we talking about anyone else on the page? and "Spider-Man on film"...the entire article is about the "film series" so its redundant to repeat the medium. "Future" is simple and

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Correctly closed. Reason put forward by listed irrelevant. This is a POV request for special (not equal) for Jews. There is a systemic bias at work in the number of overturn votes, which may well be the result of canvassing, and certainly do not represent an unbiased cross-section of Wikipedians.

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Nobody is suggesting that the article was improperly deleted. Is this the incorrect place to request that an article be unsalted or not? I certainly "endorse the deletion" that took place over a year ago as valid at the time, but this is irrelevant to the request at hand. If non-admins want to

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and the announcement. I suppose we should allow it as a bare stub, limited to the basic fact of the announcement, given that it's pretty much gauaranteed to grow. Also, note that the AfD dates to over a year ago. Given that the next movie has been officially announced, I think we can start now.

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Looking at the CfD, it isn't obvious to me that the commenters considered the ethnicity of Jews as a separate issue from the religion. While it isn't typical to classify mathematicians by ethnicity, the historical role of the Jewish community in intellectual pursuits forms at least a reasonable

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I think it is misleading to compare Celts to Jews- Celts is a blanket ethnic term for a group of peoples equivalent to Germanic peoples or Semitic peoples. Celts do have their own states of Ireland, Scotland, Wales and Brittany and there are occupation categories for all of those. There are also

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My edit was to whittle down the "monstrous" infobox to 6 items!! (In other words, I 200% agree with Cryptic!) Most of the "Active beers" in that box are Bull-stuff! I did not touch the article "body" in any way. My edit is not reflected in the cached version for some reason. How about simply

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The failure to provide the proper notice is a more substantive issue, and one that can be more easily demonstrated, than any alleged canvassing - this stuff about highlighting every rule that might allegedly be at issue on one side and suggesting every rule on the other is just bureaucratic is

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of the subject in question's website has a bunch of celebrities wearing the jewelry in reliable sources (various super-notable magazines' editorials). Can a photo editorial be used a reliable source? Well, if we read the letter of the law, no. But if we look into the spirit of both the law and

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As has been pointed out, no notice of the CfD was given. This makes it difficult for people who cared about the category to present there arguments and they should be given a chance. That said, comparing "Jewish mathematicians" to "Arab mathematicians" is a bit ridiculous given the historical

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When I said "delete" at the AfD, I said that the article made claims about the importance of his jewelry that would be notable if sourced. AsI understand it, you are now proposing that the photographs of celebrities wearing the jewelry are sources. An interesting argument, and I think worth

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Please provide accurate data on how many editors who have commented are Jewish and how that compares with the proportion of all Knowledge (XXG) editors who are Jewish. If you cannot do so, please withdraw you claim. Maybe non-Jews are overrepresented on the "don't overturn" side - so

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Sorry, but the last two undelete comments did me in. No doubt at least some of the users listed above were canvassed again. Neither Holdenhurst nor Brownlee explained precisely why they are undeleting. Both just said that they're not Jewish editors in an identical misunderstanding of

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I am not the original author of this article (that has been in Knowledge (XXG) relitively unchanged for at least 3 years), but I made a minor correction to it (Some "Active beers" listed that were incorrect), went to check on my edit about 1/2 hour later and POOF! the page is gone!

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I wasn't canvassed either. Incidentally, I'd like to know if this category was flagged as being on CfD. I don't think it can have been because it was on my watchlist. If it wasn't, surely the CfD was invalid because those who might be interested in this category wre not

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There is no doubt that there is a consensus for deletion among the greater than 99% of Wikipedians who are not Jewish, so the only question is whether an admin will allow Knowledge (XXG)'s fundamental flaws to be exploited by a pressure group, as they are all too often.

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am happy to allow Jews the same right to participate in this discussion as Haddiscoe and myself. I agree that Knowledge (XXG) is too often a political football for activists, and the fact that three attempts have been made to delete this category is a good example.--

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Per Jeff who is badly drawn - this is the danger of wholesale deletions of categories that are "by X (religion in this case)"; nothing is ever black and white. I'm don't know that this will survive a relisting, but it deserves to be discussed on its own more unique

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Haddiscoe asserts "that there is a consensus for deletion among the greater than 99% of Wikipedians who are not Jewish". He does not attempt to prove it, and as a non-Jewish Wikipedian I do not believe it. Were he correct, it would have failed the previous two

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Wait until something can be written about it conclusively. I remember when viewing a Spiderman 3 article on wikipedia sourced with all this guesswork from journals and articles before it was even lighted. Most of it was speculative. So good to keep it deleted

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The one that xe clearly states above, I suspect. Notability is not the same as future existence. Nor is it the same as fame and importance, as you are arguing. (You should be well aware that notability is not the same as fame and importance, by now.)

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Gustav, again, I was just commenting, not asking for action. Actually, the opposite if anything. If this is removed, then by the same reason we would delete all the other related categories? I don't think people want or would support that. Anyways,

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discussing. it's clear who the people are, and in many cases the jewelry is shown clearly enough to be distinctive. Do you have sources for where the photographs were published, or are they original ones taken for promotional purposes on the site?

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Has Bulldog123 actually read Holdenhurst's comment, or Haddiscoe's? No doubt Holdenhurst and Brownlee have their points of view, but that does not debar them from expressing valid opinions any more than it would debar any of the other editors

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I don't know how I can put it any more clearly than that. As I say, if the Arab mathematician category offends you, nominate it for deletion, and I will happily support either removing it or renaming it to Abbasid and limiting its contents.

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When this article was proposed for deletion several people said it should be kept as it was handy to have a quick reference to the newsreaders who presented the BBC News bulletins, with them all listed together on one page. However, the page

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be considered as either is completely irrelevant. The reasoning at the CfD still applies in full. (And yes, a list would be absolutely fine, especially if it will help slow these attempts at creating inappropriate ethnic categories.)

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I agree, this article should be deleted, but not the topic, and the article (or stub) recreated to reflect factual information (confirmation by studios that movie will be made, scriptwriter has been chosen, etc). So how do we do that?

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helpful in the ongoing fight against those who would take advantage of Knowledge (XXG)'s high pagerank to promote their products and selves (rather than trying to improve the encyclopedia). But! This one looks like a borderline case

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The point is that you're trying to get a correct closure overturned on a legalistic technicality, with the intended effect of requiring more procedure just to "get it right". That is pretty much the definition of "instruction creep".

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It is absurd to argue that the arguments relating to ethnic categories are the same as to religious ones hence if you delete a religious category you must delete an ethnic one too. Make the same arguments and see if people accept

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What WP:BURO says is "A perceived procedural error made in posting anything, such as an idea or nomination, is not grounds for invalidating that post." It says nothing about deleting categories being OK even if it was done in

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content verifiable from those sources. (Deleted versions of the article contained all sorts of rubbish from bogus IMDB links to wholly speculative cast lists.) Feel free to rename this out of user space into article space.

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this category shows some possible innate biases. Recall, these were people canvassed for their tendency to keep any articles or categories with the word Jewish in the titles. This has turned into Jewish Figure Skaters.

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I've unsalted. What to do with it now is an editorial matter, since there doesn't seem to be support that this needs to be locked out anymore. Maybe just a redirect to the future movies section of the series article.

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I quoted only the most spammy material above. But the entire article reads like a company resumé (because it is sourced to the company website). So it would need to be fundamentally rewritten to become encyclopedic.

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neutral encylopedia, or just a political football for activists, and at the moment it is far too much of the latter. The policies should be fundamentally changed to remove its abject vulnerability to manipulation.

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That ethnicity was not covered in the CFD. This is wrong. The argument was for overcategorization by ethnicity and religion, and Cat:Pythagoreans was saved but this one was not. People knew what they were doing.

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Tellerman may not realise that a high proportion of mathematicians are not American. There is no problem with who qualifies; if a reliable source says that a mathematician is Jewish, he or she belongs in the

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The original CfD did not cover ethnic categories so this category should not have been deleted. Whether it would be deleted if there had been a CfD and the same arguments had been advanced is a hypothetical

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I suspect not, since this was a mass nomination that didn't identify the specific categories under discussion. I'd suggest this flaw alone is enough to overturn (and to stop doing this type of nomination).

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tag on 20.07 on 7 May, and I deleted at 21.07, same day. In accordance with my comment to the poster of this complaint, I make no comment as to the value of my decision. But the factuality is clear in the

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classify people by ethnicity or religion or sexual preference unless there is a strong reason to do so. All people in this category can be classified by nationality, and their ethnicity is irrelevant.

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What is surprising about people who are interested in one ethnic category also being interested in another? It would be odder if they weren't. What is a curious coincidence is radiant turning up here.--

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but: from the talk page "Members of Polk Audio's marketing department regularly edit, update and maintain Polk Audio's Knowledge (XXG) entry." Even I might have been tempted to delete on seeing that.

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Considering the nomination was explicitly for "mathematics by relegion and subcategories thereof", and nobody is seriously arguing that Judaism is not in fact a religion, that is an obvious falsehood.

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Sorry, previous comments were for Jewish Figure Skaters. I got confused. Undelete anyhow, per Jeff and common sense, which is apparently rare these days. Or at least the truly common sort is. --

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policy in claiming that this ethnic group is so special that it needs/deserves to be treated differently from other ethnic groups. If you really believe that's true, you should take it to

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Notable brewer, particularly big in New Orleans but with a considerable following nationwide. Also, the deleted version didn't read like spam (to me anyway) and did establish notability.

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Knowledge (XXG), the answer will most likely be "probably" or "yes." In response to the two "keep deleted" voters above me, DRV is both for evaluating if the AfD has been closed correctly

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nations; more even than the Celts, if you want to look at it that way. And if I had an article, I'd be classified as an American, not a Celt, and I'm very happy with that. Note the we

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Thanks to the moderators for the undeletion! Perhaps this article can be spared this fate again by the addition of a couple of reference citations OTHER THAN THE COMPANY'S WEBSITE!!

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article. There's no reason to make an additional article that will be a stub for at least a year or so. Wait to make a new article until there's something substantial to put there.

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But to the nominator, remember deletion review is not a second cfd. Saying you don't agree with the deletion isn't going to help show why the deletion was invalid. per ObiterDicta

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It was well established on the talk page of the deleted category that it is a highly notable intersection; the closing admin should have allowed for this, invoking WP:IAR.--

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Surely we allow an article about the film when the film exists. Spiderman 5 and Spiderman 6 are also projected, but should not be articles before they achieve reality.--

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and on neither occasion was there anything like a consensus to delete. It would be poor procedure to allow it to be deleted as a side-effect of a different debate.--

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What a nonsense Arab is not a nationality- where is this state Arab? Arab is as loose a term as european. I cannot see what harm having Jewish mathematicians does so

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page already has a quick reference to the main BBC One news presenters, and so that means this page has no actual useful information, so I feel it should be deleted

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probably missed the opportunity too. That's just the way it works. Ideally, deletions are based on the consensus of a random sample of wikipedians. Arguments like

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Certainly, you're not assuming that the next installment in the record-breaking franchise would possibly be non-notable? What kind of parameter are you using? --

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is treated as a nationality category. There are no categories for the separate Arab countries. It also contains mostly Medieval Arab mathematicians as part of

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why should peoples who have a state be able to say- these are our mathematicians, architects, writers but not peoples who have been denied a state by force?

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Actually it does fit. The argument as overcategorization by religion and ethnicity. Jewish is both a religion and an ethnicity. It actually fits perfectly.

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have their "own" countries. Being native to Ireland does not imply being Celtic, nor does being Irish-Gaelic imply Irish nationality. The Jews "have"

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makes sense. But there is no Celtic or Jewish style of mathematics, and so it makes no sense to have categories for Jewish or Celtic mathematicians.

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And what will this article tell us? What verifiable information is there about the film? Other than Sony saying they currently intend to make it? --

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That's an interesting point. Of course Judaism is both a religion and an ethnicity. However, the thing is that we categorize mathematicians by

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strange. It wasn't done as well as it could have been the first time, why not just relist? It doesn't strike me as a big deal to get it right.

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have categories for both Celtic musicians and Jewish musicians because both the Celts and Jews have strong independent musical traditions.

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I'm not a big fan of using AFD to make policy or draw up precdents but there does seem to be a worthwhile discussion to be had here.

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I never said I oppose this or any other category. I was just pointing out that there are many categories like this, that all. --

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to note that there's no consensus to delete something like this, you don't perform an end-around like this to shoehorn it in. --

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Actually, people are arguing exactly that - it's as much an ethnicity as a religion (which is legitimate), and, when you have

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That basically means that the nominator didn't do the vote stuffing on behalf of one side. Well done to the nominator I say.

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This is half-deleted (main article deleted, talk page isn't.) Based on Google News having 67 hits within the past month

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Way to disenfranchise a number of good faith commenters. What happened to assuming good faith? Also, I'm not Jewish,

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editing. Status quo looks good, article is actively being neutralised. Nothign to see here, move along please...

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How about all the other categories of "Jewish XYZers"? Their must be a least 100 of them out there if not more? --

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If you came here because someone asked you to, or you read a message on another website, please note that this is

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importance of Arab mathematics as a group, especially in the middle ages. There's a reason we have articles like

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result in systematic bias per Haddiscoe. If there is a real new reason for keeping it, then relist. There isn't.

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per above. Category has also had some issues with who exactly qualifies for it. As for listing, we already have

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DGG, but I think he brings up a good point about possibly looking at notability in something like jewelry. The

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the arguments at CfD! The guideline in question is for "religion, ethnicity and sexual preference". It's

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be an exception to the guideline is beyond the scope of this review (and I disagree in any case).

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I know it is too late, as the article has been deleted, but I disagree with ALL of the reasons on

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I find your comments objectionable in a way that seems prejudicially biased and inappropriate. --

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Also, the style of the article was nearly identical to any that might be found in this category:

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Lexis-nexis returns 57 newspaper articles with "Polk Audio" in the title or lead paragraph.

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per Radiant. Ethnicity categories such as this are not allowed. Guy's examples show it all.

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per Radiant, Xtifr; no similarity whatsoever with the Arab category. No view on a list.

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worth undeleting, since sources were surely not available before now, but now that they

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eliminating the two sentances Pan Dan cites below? All the spammy stuff gone then, no?

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The category was deleted and removed from its relevant articles under a decision on

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because the CfD only related to religion whereas this is also an ethnic category.--

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for discussion of new evidence. While recognising the stuff in pictures would be

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for Cat:Arab mathematicians. The category is for Medieval Arab mathematicians of

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WP:AGF, Radiant has misread these diffs, which do not refer to this category.--

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new sources are presented. And, in this case, new sources have been presented.

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Could be nominated for AFD afterward as suggested above, but I'm pretty sure

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from convinced that this was or is really blatant spam, nor unsalvageable.

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If this page received a "speedy" tag, it was there for an hour, tops.

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Such blanket statements are not accurate, this review as an example. --

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there are no sources, but in this case, we do have verifiable sources.

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suggests otherwise. "Errors of form" do not invalidate discussion.

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recreate this article, what's the proper venue to request that? --

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as those for religious categories, so the minor detail that this

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as valid close. However, feel free to recreate the article with

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categorize by nationality. The corresponding category would be

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Recreate...there are ample sources to support a short article.

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you are correct (and I don't believe you are), then we should

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danger of deletion. A better equivalent to this one would be

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Osidge, Brownlee, Daniel11, Holdenhurst, Newport, and R613vlu.

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I should note that I have no objection whatsoever to a list.

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advertising, but I'm not sure notability can be established.

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When I edited it 1/2 hour before, there was NO SPEEDY tag.

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about all the other categories of "Jewish XYZers"? Their (

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among Knowledge (XXG) contributors. Knowledge (XXG) has

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section - still needs more work, so have at it yall! --

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