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none of the people suggesting delete actually gave a plausible reason for doing so. The "defining characteristic" argument was an argument that having OCD did not necessarily cause them to be severely affected all their life, which is irrelevant, if they are notable people for whom the disease was important. The other argument given was that there were only 20 people in the category, which is also irrelevant.
313:, but if you do come back to this discussion with a new/proper account, could you please provide us with some specific examples (from Arabic publications, newspapers, etc) of how this topic is notable? Articles on Knowledge (XXG) must be verifiable, so we need to know where we can find objective information about said company -- even if the information is not available online. 1124:. Hard if not impossible to argue that there was a problem with the close. (Not really the place to debate the merits, but there has been fairly clear consensus to delete medical or psychological conditions that consensus has deemed to be not defining. The nom can provide a list of ones that have perhaps been thought to be defining, but lists can also be provided of 816:
Your personal opinion on the strength or merit of the original arguments does not constitute "significant new information" that has come to light since the close of the CFD. Again, nothing's been offered here that indicates any change in the expressed consensus of the original CFD. The "convicted of"
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or suggest some other way to appeal this decision--there has to be some way. Perhaps it could be re-created, but I'm not sure how we would do that. Consistency is a virtue, and a decision out of line with broader consensus should have some way of being changed. Alternative, Revert on the basis that
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The original CfD may have been unanimous, but the unanimity was based solely on only three unique arguments: (1) the medical condition is non-defining; (2) labeling negative character traits as a disease is just a fad; and (3) minor pshychological disorder categories are plagued by tabloid-style
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is at least plausible, without prejudice to a subsequent CfD at editorial discretion. Seems to be the easiest way out. I have absolutely no idea what we can do to a two-year-old CfD. And not every recreation requires permission from DRV, especially when, as here, there has been no salting.
667:– proper determination of consensus by closing admin. This is not CFD round 2. However, the "diagnosis" thing is interesting to say the least, but I don't see why that needs to be necessarily discussed here (i.e. a more broad venue would be needed for the others). 684:
categories and articles, I did not really foresee this request as being controversial. Moreover, I did not intend to suggest that the closing acted improperly in any way whatsoever. This is simply a matter of a two-year-old CfD that lacks consistency with the
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There was nothing improper about how you handled the CfD, and as previously stated, no allegations of misconduct were intended. The reason that we are here discussing this at DRV two years later is because no other (obvious) venue exists.
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I respectfully disagree that DRV is an inappropriate forum for this discussion. To the best of my knowledge, there is no other designated place, process, method, or workaround to publicly discuss, debate, appeal, contest, or
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Listed amongst the top 10 most debilitating illnesses by the World Health Organisation in terms of loss of income and decreased quality of life, Obsessive Compulsive Disorder is thought to affect 2-3% of the UK
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A7 nor Notability are valid reasons for the deletion. Admin outside the region concerned may not be able to find importance of the page. Desired format of the page can be viewed at User:khalidco/sandbox
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is rarely if ever a compelling argument. There is no difference between "people with OCD" and "people diagnosed with OCD" so the latter would simply be a re-creation of deleted material.
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about a detective with obsessive-compulsive disorder, who is unable to look at Playboy magazine centerfolds, answer a public phone or unbutton the top button of his shirt, is not alone.
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to the viewer. I personally believe that I have provided "significant new information" to comply with DRV guidelines, but if you are still not satisfied, I will make further attempts.
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original research. Arguments #1 and #2 are both reasonable opinions, but they are inherently subjective in nature. Argument #3 is based on an unfortunate systemic problem that affects
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as valid reading of the consensus. I am neutral on recreation; adding someone to this category would risk BLP issues as membership of a category cannot, by its nature, be cited.
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OCD in the Spanish population was shown to be associated with worse quality of life than for any other patient group (including physical groups), except schizophrenics
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It appears the closer acted in good faith ending debate. I may have voted differently, but the vote was as close to consensus as can be hoped for.
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Several recent movies have also featured main characters with OCD, including The Aviator, which told the story of the life of Howard Hughes.
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sure it can, by making it clear in the relevant article. There can even be a talk p. discussion there of whether to add the category.
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There is ample precedent for the existence of such categories and the proposed title addresses issues raised at the original CfD.
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Both articles have entire sections dedicated to obsessive–compulsive disorder, so that's one indicator of consensus.
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Arguments #1 and #2 are inconsistent with modern medical definitions, scientific research, and popular culture:
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The page linked above does not exist and never has done, I presume the author wanted to request a review of
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The OCD Answer Book: Professional Answer to More Than 250 Top Questions About Obsessive-Compulsive Disorder
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which essentially mean he doesn't determine it's importance, others do by writing about it in independant
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CfD -- regardless of how blatantly otiose or ludicrous it is. To add insult to injury, the guidelines of
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I see no evidence that any importance was indicated--if there is some, let's see the references to it.
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Bobes, J. (2001 June). "Quality of life and disability in patients with obsessive-compulsive disorder".
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category has changed, It may be that if the above categories were CFDed they would also be deleted and
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Consensus may have thought not. I don't think this is the place to discuss individual cases, however.
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profound, because the latter explicitly precludes speculative categorization in the same way that
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medical conditions. On a side note, I would like to recommend that the category be recreated as
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closure of the CfD because it's impossible to close it any other way;
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full of relevant subcategories. Furthermore, there are even nineteen
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Was obsessive-compulsive disorder not a defining characteristic of
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Category:People diagnosed with dissociative identity disorder
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me from aggregating OCD-related articles in a way that is
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argument is less than compelling, given the existence of
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since it has been two years and nom's argument that
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The difference betwen "people with OCD" and "people
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Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review
Log
2009 September 26
Deletion review archives
2009 September
2009 September 28
27 September 2009
GCC6
Tikiwont
talk
10:09, 4 October 2009 (UTC)
deletion review
GCC6
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
restore
Khalidco
talk
05:45, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
GCC6
User:Khalidco/Sandbox
Knowledge (XXG):Notability
Hut 8.5
13:02, 27 September 2009 (UTC)
conflict of interest
"I am the develper of that site"

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