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none of the people suggesting delete actually gave a plausible reason for doing so. The "defining characteristic" argument was an argument that having OCD did not necessarily cause them to be severely affected all their life, which is irrelevant, if they are notable people for whom the disease was important. The other argument given was that there were only 20 people in the category, which is also irrelevant.
313:, but if you do come back to this discussion with a new/proper account, could you please provide us with some specific examples (from Arabic publications, newspapers, etc) of how this topic is notable? Articles on Knowledge (XXG) must be verifiable, so we need to know where we can find objective information about said company -- even if the information is not available online.
1124:. Hard if not impossible to argue that there was a problem with the close. (Not really the place to debate the merits, but there has been fairly clear consensus to delete medical or psychological conditions that consensus has deemed to be not defining. The nom can provide a list of ones that have perhaps been thought to be defining, but lists can also be provided of
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The original CfD may have been unanimous, but the unanimity was based solely on only three unique arguments: (1) the medical condition is non-defining; (2) labeling negative character traits as a disease is just a fad; and (3) minor pshychological disorder categories are plagued by tabloid-style
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667:– proper determination of consensus by closing admin. This is not CFD round 2. However, the "diagnosis" thing is interesting to say the least, but I don't see why that needs to be necessarily discussed here (i.e. a more broad venue would be needed for the others).
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categories and articles, I did not really foresee this request as being controversial. Moreover, I did not intend to suggest that the closing acted improperly in any way whatsoever. This is simply a matter of a two-year-old CfD that lacks consistency with the
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There was nothing improper about how you handled the CfD, and as previously stated, no allegations of misconduct were intended. The reason that we are here discussing this at DRV two years later is because no other (obvious) venue exists.
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is rarely if ever a compelling argument. There is no difference between "people with OCD" and "people diagnosed with OCD" so the latter would simply be a re-creation of deleted material.
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about a detective with obsessive-compulsive disorder, who is unable to look at
Playboy magazine centerfolds, answer a public phone or unbutton the top button of his shirt, is not alone.
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to the viewer. I personally believe that I have provided "significant new information" to comply with DRV guidelines, but if you are still not satisfied, I will make further attempts.
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