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522:'s close that I disagree with is the notion that the ambiguity of the redirect was a strong argument for deletion. That holds true for mainspace redirects but not for projectspace shortcuts of which a vast number, if not majority, are ambiguous. There are some regulars at RfD that seem to consistently disfavor redirects that are profane or not politically correct, but BDD is not among that group. I cannot quite endorse the close, but I am not at an overturn either. I would not oppose a relist if that were to gain support. 461:. I read the discussion as decidedly on the side of delete. “No consensus” may have been defendable, but “delete” is easily defended. The close was well explained and well reasoned. The two “keep” !votes were weak in being philosophical rather than on point, and I urge them to consider that philosophy belongs in essays, not these ONEWORDSLOGANS. — 271:
Thank you for your opinion, however I would like to point out that I was only notified of the speedy-deletion nomination at 2:20 AM in my timezone, with the deletion occurring at 3:37 AM, which had pretty well rendered any discussion from my end impossible. Otherwise, I agree with the points you are
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The RfD was open for 17 days. The issue is a triviality, nothing of substance was at stake, editors had already voiced opinions as to which result is better. More !votes expressing opinions would just better populate to distribution of opinions, probably as I read them moderately favouring the
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This RfD closed as "delete" when I think "no consensus" should have been more appropriate. The closing rationale admitted there was a split between views, said "there isn't a clear numerical majority" (which is fine, as long as one side isn't making !votes against policy or stating arguments to
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to be deleted too, which I'm not sure we want to go that far. While I did think, "it's just a joke, the encyclopedia isn't going to crash and burn if it gets deleted, get over it", the result of the RfD has been challenged on the closing admin's talk page, so DRV seems the logical course here.
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are okay, which is agreeable to me but that's not why it was nominated for deletion. The last sentence of the closure encapsulated that perfectly. It's fine to have profane redirects, but they should at least make sense, which is where this redirect failed.
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is a thing, the XfDs need to be practical working systems that produce implementable decisions, and RfA-vetted&baptised closers are entitled to reasonable discretion to make a decision so that the project can move on.
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Dan Dubeau is notable to the Knowledge as an encyclopedia, as he spent over a year as Acting Commissioner, (a position in which, aside from the individual's physical rank, is identical to that of the Commissioner), of the
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the argument that the redirect should be deleted because it's profane or offensive was rebutted but the argument that it doesn't make that much sense wasn't, and that's a good argument for deletion.
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I don't object to your asking for another look, but it is customary to discuss on the deleting admin's talk page before coming here. Not a big deal. But just file that away for future reference. -
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The delete rationales are refuted, the keep ones are not. You said you were trying to avoid a supervote, but it was a supervote, and not just a tie-breaker, but ignoring the stronger rationales.
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avoid, which they weren't), and said "I'm wary of such closes looking like supervotes". Well, quite. The problem is here is this gives a signal for all the other "joke" shortcuts listed at
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per author's request and upon review. I have doubts about WP:N but I will concede that an officer at that rank of the RCMP probably meets the much lower bar of A7. Courtesy ping
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There was no consensus, and in a case like that, the closer should say juast that. If they thought one result was better than the other they should have commented instead.
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May be battlegroundish/pointy; plus a claim – with zero evidence of any kind – that it's directly a cause of "so much drama", which is not actually plausible.
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point to other pages than they do, but we do not delete them. In fact, we tolerate potentially ambiguous project-space redirects all the time.
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Other respondents joked around, and made an observation this way or that way but didn't strongly advocate anything in either direction.
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No evidence of disruption, and similar to many other humorous but vulgar redirects that we keep (
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I'll just copy what I posted at the closer's user talk page: I have to call shenanigans on the
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Two respondents suggest deletion. The only rationales they offer (same as the nominator) are:
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delete side. Waiting for more participation on an unimportant question is exactly why
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Held the top-level military command position of their nation's armed forces
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Two respondents say to keep, with the following rationales:
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would apply here. Certainly, if we've got all the people in
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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2018 July 24
Deletion review archives
2018 July
2018 July 26
25 July 2018
Dan Dubeau
Hut 8.5
21:36, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
deletion review
Dan Dubeau
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
restore
Royal Canadian Mounted Police
Zachary Taylor Wood
Beverley Busson
Zachary Taylor Wood
Fhsig13
talk
20:05, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
User:Ad Orientem
WP:A7
WP:BIO
WP:NRCMP

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