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thinks he should close the discussion before the 7-day period to avoid that. I have asked multiple times for evidence to his claim, but I got nothing except him believing so. None of the editors is blocked for undisclosed paid editing, and the discussion should run normally till the end. A discussion in this form should end in 'No Consensus', or at least that's what I believe. I voted a 'Delete' myself, but I think Bilby is overriding the deletion discussion consensus to his favor. What I would suggest is to reopen the discussion, stirke out votes for paid editors(if any) and let the discussion end normally.
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I'm surprised that I wasn't notified of this. At any rate, the AfD had been extended three times, so it had been running for almost a month when I closed it. I closed it after it became clear that the client was continuing to hire editors on Upwork to vote at the AfD, and no new arguments had been
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I discussed the matter with Bilby before coming here, and I got nothing except accusations and paid editing jobs that have no evidence. The closing administrator original claim stems from that he thinks the 'Keep' votes were done for pay and that many other editors are going to get hired, so he
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looks like the best source, one can make a "local" argument, but the new source itself is international (but known for covering each market as its own thing)). I'd have argued to keep based on the sources, but it isn't clear cut. Given the paid editing issues raised by Bilby above, I think
259:, we don't actually have any tangible evidence that votes were done for pay. These are wild claims, and when they not backed up by evidence, I think it makes the case worse. That's IAR card fired by Bilby's intuition that their argument that the article should be kept isn't sufficient 616:
I thought the article wasn't that brilliant or that bad, I saw the history of the article is still there, I had a another look. There were 30 citations on the page, and I thought only 8 of them were really helpful for the article. But the guy had one of his articles published in the
563:- I probably would have voted to keep this if I'd participated in the AfD. But it had been open plenty long enough and, with misbehaviour startig up and no new opinions being offered, I don't see a reall issue with cutting the third relist a bit short. 273:
They really aren't that wild. We know that one or more people were paid to edit the article. Some of the !voters are appear to be socks. So yes, it's a pretty good case that the AfD had issues. And honestly the notability is very borderline.
584:. The combination of known socking, multiple non-policy keep arguments from users who I shall charitably describe as having limited editing experience, and highly promotional content, adds up to delete being a perfectly reasonable close. -- 363:
Sorry, I was confused, thought the nom and the closer had said they closed it early, and I misread the dates. Pointless relisting annoys me. I wasn't closed early, any closer can ignore a relist. I'm still confused. Are the "keep" !voters
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I take offence if you're calling me a paid editor, I only reviewed what I saw, and I it was so long ago I don't remember what the article looks like, I would also like to know what page cite 19 was that I pointed out!!
349:, I'm afraid that the OP was a bit misleading. The AfD was open for 26 days before I closed it. There had only been one new comment (other than that of a very likely paid editor) in the last 11 days. - 212:. Accordingly, with the increasing number of undisclosed paid editors involved, no new arguments being offered, and the AfD having been open for over three weeks, I thought it was time to close it. - 618: 313:
Reopen for a minimum total open time of 168 hours. Do not make administrative shortcuts to save time, that’s not what works. Weekend editors need a chance to contribute, for example. —
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OK. I don’t like the notion of closing “early due to issues with undisclosed paid editors”, but that is not what happened. It was a close but a good call.
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content except for “best player in the National Championships as a 17-year-old”. I.e. it was a CV. —
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offered for or against the article in the last two weeks. I note that the creator of the article -
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Without comment on the paid editing problem, the subject appears to be borderline notable (
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I have no reason to think that you were paid. I'm sorry if I gave that impression. -
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At AfD I would start Leaning “Delete”, as the article has zero
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Bad-faith nomination by (amazingly) yet another sock.
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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2018 September 6
Deletion review archives
2018 September
2018 September 8
7 September 2018
Guy
Help!
08:22, 10 September 2018 (UTC)
deletion review
Paddy Steinfort
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
XfD
restore
Bradgd
talk
13:37, 7 September 2018 (UTC)
User:Gharee
User:MER-C
User:Strizivojna
User:WikiSniki
User:Jkmarold55
Bilby
talk

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