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255:. There's more to the logo than mere characters, and the logo seems to be an original or unique work. (Note: I can't see the image, but I believe I have found it elsewhere on the internet, and of the three potential logos I looked at, did not see any which would be ineligible for copyright protection.) 580:
If I understand you, UK law, for example, accords copyright to images involving a (much) less degree of originality. But in this case, since the logo is US, it is only US law that counts even on Commons. I happen to think the logo would more likely be kept at Commons than here. That has nothing to do
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If it were just circles cut out of the lettering, that might not be over the TOO, but it's ambiguous enough that I'd still prefer to write up a NFCC rationale than slap a public domain tag on it - it doesn't take a lot of creativity when combining typefaces and geometric shapes and 3-D elements to
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Opinion is divided as to whether this was a clear-cut case of copyvio. Normally, no consensus means that the closure is maintained, but our practice with speedy deletions is to submit them to further discussion where there is doubt about whether they were appropriate.
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original components than the logos in the category, e.g., the unique, stylized Disney font, the mouse ears silhouette, the red "i" with two yellow dots invoking Mickey Mouse's overalls). This file should be discussed at FFD rather than handled on a speedy basis.
191:, "typefaces and the characters they contain are considered to be utilitarian objects whose utility outweighs any merit that may exist in protecting their creative elements. As such, typefaces are exempt from copyright protection in the United States." 695:. CSD is for clear-cut cases, and since there's reasonable arguments on both sides, this obviously isn't a clear-cut case. The people who understand copyright law/policy hang out at FFD, so this should be sent there for their expert review. -- 350:
this isn't just letters in a typeface, the artist has added holes and cracks to them in a way that's not part of the typeface. I strongly suspect this is over the threshold at which it qualifies for copyright protection. I also don't think
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Likely to be deleted at FfD, but there is apparently serious debate here, so apparently it's not an appropriate speedy. By my understanding it is probably protected. But I'm no expert. So
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You are. But not a single person has come forth to support you or oppose the deletion, while a multitude have come forth to oppose you and endorse the deletion. Despite what you may
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to be considered a non-free work. It's just words with a few holes in them, which is not original or unique enough to render it a non-free image. Per
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containing just the "The Suicide Squad" logo, from the bottom line of the full image, between the WB and DC logos. --
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images, and it seems the Suicide Squad logo has much less originality than any of the others in the category (whereas
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with copyright law and a lot to do with the attitudes that have developed among the denizens of
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Commons seeks to conform to copyright both in the US and the source country. Its guidance is at
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Because I'm allowed to disagree with people who I think are incorrect. It's as simple as that.
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because it was certainly wrong. I would upload the thing to Commons rather than fuss here.
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clearly to complex for public domain, especially with the cracks around the holes.
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that it doesn't pass the free threshold. Why would this suddenly change? --
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Maybe that was a little harsh, but can't you see that this frustrates me?
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is an acceptable way to treat a volunteer who's just doing their job.
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Yep, that's the one I found. Thank you for confirming. I stand by the
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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EEXoL5OXYAITCs3?format=jpg&name=large
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Probably will bedeeted, but it should be discussed here, not here.
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We can that it does, but we can't see why it does. You've been
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Category:Public domain images ineligible for copyright (logo)
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It looks like what was uploaded was a rectangular crop from
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copyright violations; this one is ambiguous. I look at
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For interested editors, see the original discussion at
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Disagreement is fine, as long as it's respectful and
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File:TheSuicideSquadLogo.png
Sandstein
07:25, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
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15:11, 15 September 2019 (UTC)
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typeface
Alex

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