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339:. The text is virtually identical. A number of wikilinks were added, but that is irrelevant to the issue of deletion. A large number of new "references" were cited, but unfortunately, contrary to what Hyrdlak says, they do not by any means "prove the subject's notability". Most if not all of the 52 new "references" that were added to the new version of the article either don't mention Bardhyl Selimi at all or merely mention his name briefly in passing. At least one is a page which is marketing a book of his, and merely gives his name as author. Some of the references are pages on Knowledge or forums, 318:
The reason why the re-created article was deleted "without any discussion" was that we had already had the discussion. We don't repeat a discussion, probably with exactly the same reasons as before, every time an individual editor disagrees with the outcome of that discussion. Personally, if there is
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The main argument for deletion was that some of the 20 odd provided references led to the article's subject as an author or co-author. I improved on that adding 50 more references by other authors from Albania / Kosovo (in Albanian) and from all around the world (including China, France and Poland)
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scarcely mentioning him. And so it goes on... Not only do the new references fail to "prove the subject's notability", they fail to even provide a small step in the direction of showing more notability than was already demonstrated when consensus at a discussion decided the subject did not satisfy
323:, and I regard it as better to give the benefit of any doubt. However, in this case I felt, and still feel, that there isn't any reasonable doubt to give the benefit of. So that editors who are not administrators can judge for themselves I have restored the history of the article, and moved it to 293:
The contention point that led to the deletion of this article on Sept 4, 2019 was the issue of notability as proved by sources not connected to Bardhyl Selimi. With the 'carpet-bomb' of 50 references I prove the subject's notability in the spheres of Albanian/Kosovan and Esperanto (global)
78:, in large part because of the shoddy deletion review nomination. A better presented case that makes clear what is being appealed and why might have more success, although one has to consider that the additional references mentioned here apparently didn't convince anyone. 278:
The re-created article looks vitually identical to the one deleted by AfD. The only difference looks like a carpet-bomb of additional references, but there's no indication that any of them are significant in terms of addressing the issues raised in the AfD. --
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even the slightest reasonable doubt about whether a recreated copy of a deleted page is changed enough to warrant a new discussion then I restore it on request, because there is considerable disagreement as to what changes are enough to invalidate
381:, I have to rely on those who have seen the two pages that they are substantially the same. If this is a request to re-create due to new information, it isn't clear what the new information is. So for whatever reason, we can leave it deleted. 348:: the mistaken belief that simply throwing large numbers of references at an article adds evidence of notability, even if none of those references contain anything relevant to Knowledge's notability guidelines. 373:, or a request to re-create due to new information. The fact that this filing isn't clear is another reason to endorse. If this is an appeal of the original Close as Delete, all that is noteworthy is the 220:. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. 48: 34: 164: 43: 235:
Originally, this article was deleted on Sept 2-4, 2019, though due to my summer holiday I requested a delay on any final decision until Sept 7, 2019.
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in Esperanto, as a proof of the global-wide notability of Bardhyl Selimi in the spheres of Albanian- and Esperanto-language cultures.
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by Hyrdlak, but it isn't clear what the meaning of the wall of text is. If this is an appeal of a
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I still have no clue why the relisted draft of this article was deleted without any discussion.
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Knowledge's notability guidelines. This is, in fact, a good example of what is described at
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The relisted article was removed with no explanation, let alone any discussion.
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I request the relisting of the deleted improved draft of this article.
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Knowledge:Bardhyl Selimi/Temporary copy for deletion review
336: 328: 327:. The version deleted as a result of the discussion is 159: 145: 137: 129: 242:I relisted the improved article on Sept 9, 2019. 321:speedy deletion as a recreation of a deleted page 8: 101:The following is an archived debate of the 196: 63: 199: 335:tagged for deletion and I deleted is 7: 404:of the page listed in the heading. 28: 201:presumably this was intended for 400:The above is an archive of the 391:22:04, 21 September 2019 (UTC) 358:20:26, 15 September 2019 (UTC) 309:08:34, 15 September 2019 (UTC) 287:15:06, 14 September 2019 (UTC) 260:09:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC) 230:09:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC) 191:09:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC) 92:12:16, 22 September 2019 (UTC) 1: 427: 212:An editor has asked for a 18:Knowledge:Deletion review 407:Please do not modify it. 331:, and the version which 108:Please do not modify it. 40:Deletion review archives 105:of the page above. 414: 413: 267: 266: 59:14 September 2019 49:2019 September 15 35:2019 September 13 418: 409: 197: 176: 171: 162: 148: 140: 132: 110: 64: 53: 33: 426: 425: 421: 420: 419: 417: 416: 415: 405: 402:deletion review 383:Robert McClenon 268: 214:deletion review 206: 172: 170: 167: 158: 157: 151: 144: 143: 136: 135: 128: 127: 106: 103:deletion review 62: 55: 54: 51: 46: 37: 31: 26: 25: 24: 12: 11: 5: 424: 422: 412: 411: 396: 395: 394: 393: 363: 362: 361: 360: 313: 312: 296: 295: 290: 289: 265: 264: 218:Bardhyl Selimi 208: 207: 200: 195: 179: 178: 168: 155: 149: 141: 133: 125: 119:Bardhyl Selimi 113: 112: 97: 96: 95: 94: 71:Bardhyl Selimi 61: 56: 47: 44:2019 September 38: 30: 29: 27: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 423: 410: 408: 403: 398: 397: 392: 388: 384: 380: 376: 372: 368: 365: 364: 359: 355: 351: 347: 342: 338: 334: 330: 326: 322: 317: 316: 315: 314: 310: 306: 302: 298: 297: 292: 291: 288: 285: 282: 277: 275: 270: 269: 263: 261: 257: 253: 249: 246: 243: 240: 236: 233: 231: 227: 223: 219: 215: 210: 209: 204: 198: 194: 192: 188: 184: 175: 166: 161: 154: 147: 139: 131: 124: 120: 117: 116: 115: 114: 111: 109: 104: 99: 98: 93: 89: 88:contributions 85: 81: 80:Jo-Jo Eumerus 77: 73: 72: 68: 67: 66: 65: 60: 57: 50: 45: 41: 36: 23: 19: 406: 399: 375:wall of text 366: 350:JamesBWatson 340: 333:Power~enwiki 271: 250: 247: 244: 241: 237: 234: 211: 205:'s talk page 181:improvement 180: 107: 100: 75: 69: 58: 346:WP:BOMBARD 341:as well as 203:User:Tone 294:culture. 281:RoySmith 272:Endorse 262:Hyrdlak 232:Hyrdlak 193:Hyrdlak 20:‎ | 367:Endorse 311:Hyrdlak 301:Hyrdlak 252:Hyrdlak 222:Hyrdlak 183:Hyrdlak 174:restore 138:history 76:Endorse 284:(talk) 274:WP:G4 160:watch 153:links 52:: --> 16:< 387:talk 354:talk 337:here 329:here 305:talk 256:talk 226:talk 187:talk 146:logs 130:edit 123:talk 84:talk 32:< 216:of 165:XfD 163:) ( 22:Log 389:) 379:G4 371:G4 356:) 307:) 258:) 228:) 189:) 90:) 86:, 74:– 42:: 385:( 352:( 303:( 276:. 254:( 224:( 185:( 177:) 169:| 156:| 150:| 142:| 134:| 126:| 121:( 82:(

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Knowledge:Deletion review
Log
2019 September 13
Deletion review archives
2019 September
2019 September 15
14 September 2019
Bardhyl Selimi
Jo-Jo Eumerus
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contributions
12:16, 22 September 2019 (UTC)
deletion review
Bardhyl Selimi
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
XfD
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Hyrdlak
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09:04, 14 September 2019 (UTC)
User:Tone
deletion review
Bardhyl Selimi
Hyrdlak
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