1130:& similar sources is inflaming a popular sentiment that, if the world is not careful, will lead to genocide & tet another war between two countries both of which now have nuclear capability and excitable, often ill-educated populations. I haven't seen the article but even those supporting it at AfD seemed to acknowledge it had major problems. Since it appears that those have not been fixed in the interim, IAR seems ok to me and G5 should have happened anyway. Few of the people commenting at that AfD seemed to understand anything about the subject, rather like you. This is where the emotions of the ill-informed liberal West completely screws up our mission. -
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creator's blocked or banned status was not known to the participants of the AfD discussion." In general "in the event of a dispute, start a new deletion discussion". You can't delete this as at attack page. You *maybe* can delete it as a G5, but it would need to be clear that "this page was created by banned or blocked users in violation of their ban or block, and that have no substantial edits by others.". That seems unlikely. So yeah, bad speedy. Admin tools should not be used to short circuit a discussion.
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1151:, absolutely. First, this is essentially a G5. Second, a reasonable article could be written about this topic, but the one that was deleted wasn't it; it was full of egregious original research and POV nonsense; the lead image caption is a perfect example (quoting for non-admins:
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978:Tessaracter
920:Tessaracter
59:9 June 2020
35:2020 June 8
1395:S Marshall
1224:, who was
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