1069:. Whatever the merits or otherwise of the category it did not meet any speedy deletion criterion and so should be undeleted. Any subjective speedy deletion objected to in good faith should also be overturned in favour of discussion. Additionally it is impossible to tell whether consensus has changed or not if discussions get shut down before consensus develops.
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I don't have a problem with draftifying the AfDed version (the threshold for that is pretty low), but unless there are some good high-quality sources about this person, the article is just going to get re-deleted once it gets to mainspace. My cursory search didn't find anything too impressive (mostly
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1051:. As I said, we tend to not want editors to think about this, because we want them to feel free in developing the encyclopedia. We accept that for the encyclopedia. But adding to performance drag for jokes/nonsense would seem to be rather inappropriate. Please feel free to make a
1029:. Or as a way to group "me and my buddies". The first is not how that system is designed. And the second is just clearly inappropriate per long-held overall consensus at CfD. I support humour on Knowledge (XXG) for the various reasons laid out in this nomination. But as a
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I just went ahead and blocked the appellant. I've dealt with Grace Wan socks before, looks like we'll have to do so again for a while. --
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