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1069:. Whatever the merits or otherwise of the category it did not meet any speedy deletion criterion and so should be undeleted. Any subjective speedy deletion objected to in good faith should also be overturned in favour of discussion. Additionally it is impossible to tell whether consensus has changed or not if discussions get shut down before consensus develops. 1039:, there are many ways to group people on Knowledge (XXG). The category system shouldn't be used for this. And finally, while we generally tend to not talk much about performance, with categories there can be a real issue of "lag" when it comes to updating categories behind-the-scenes. Here are some old essays about performance 1109:. It's obvious that this will be deleted when recreated. By restoring we would practically obligate other editors to go through the motions to restore things to where they are now. That's process for the sake of process. The closer can note that the application of speedy deletion criteria was incorrect.— 1083:
I mean, it wasn't a valid G3 (there's a difference between a good-faith joke and a blatant hoax), nor was it a valid G4 based on the 2015 discussion (G4 doesn't apply to pages that were speedily deleted), nor would it have been a valid G4 based on the 2017 discussion (G4 doesn't apply retroactively),
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I would argue that it (although not singularly this user category on its own, to be clear) indirectly improves the encyclopedia by enabling camaraderie and good humour between editors. In response to your suggestion, I’d certainly support a formal change to the guideline, but I don’t think I have the
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I don't have a problem with draftifying the AfDed version (the threshold for that is pretty low), but unless there are some good high-quality sources about this person, the article is just going to get re-deleted once it gets to mainspace. My cursory search didn't find anything too impressive (mostly
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I can absolutely see where the deleting admin is coming from here, because the category is listing something that is blatantly not true. Cats don't have the necessary intelligence, physical dexterity or language skills to edit Knowledge (XXG) (and even if they did they're far too lazy). Consensus is
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argument, although the original rationale for speedy deletion, as an obvious hoax for what is obviously a joke category, isn't far-fetched either. Furthermore, while not mentioned in the discussion, unpopulated categories, as this one obviously would be, may be speedy deleted by criterion
1051:. As I said, we tend to not want editors to think about this, because we want them to feel free in developing the encyclopedia. We accept that for the encyclopedia. But adding to performance drag for jokes/nonsense would seem to be rather inappropriate. Please feel free to make a 1029:. Or as a way to group "me and my buddies". The first is not how that system is designed. And the second is just clearly inappropriate per long-held overall consensus at CfD. I support humour on Knowledge (XXG) for the various reasons laid out in this nomination. But as a 972:
To be clear, there have also been discussions that have ended in no consensus, which were therefore kept by default to maintain the status quo. (I’m not trying to be funny with this comment btw, I’m sorry if it comes across in that way.) Best,
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If you don't think the guideline is supported by consensus then you should propose changing it. A single CfD doesn't mean much in that regard, and a wider consensus like a guideline usually takes precedence over a
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only exists because nobody is willing to brave this years-old frozen war zone - I'm quite sure if any of the categories still there were brought to CfD they would be deleted (and I would !vote delete)
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with drafts of this title; but DRV is a content forum. The title is not salted in draft space, and the appellant can create a draft, but it will probably waste their time and that of the reviewers.
337:– Endorse the closure, but restore to draft space for potential improvement and AFC vetting. IP, I note your use of "we". Please make sure everyone edits independently and any disclosures are made. 255:
I wouldn't recommend restoring the deleted version, even to draftspace. Besides being six years old and thus at least nominally out-of-date, it was only a single sentence long, sourced only to
259:, at the time of deletion. There's a longer version with more sources in the history, but it was cut down to that because none of the sources supported any of the text they were attached to. — 862: 698: 1005: 935: 745: 686: 958:. It shows that the pickle cabal discussion is the only time since 2008 in which a joke user category has been kept at CfD. One aberrational discussion does not defeat a guideline. 744:
exists, but I doubt anyone seriously thinks that it’s actual fish doing the editing. I propose that this category should be either undeleted or recreated, as a subcategory of
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applies. And the title has not been salted. If the appellant wishes to create an article in article space, they need to register an account and become autoconfirmed.
736:- to me (albeit with a slight COI because of my username), it seems like a relatively harmless piece of humour that should have been allowed to stay up (along with the 1004:
This is nothing more than a waste of everyone's time. Especially given all the moot procedural wrangling above - the most recent, and hence controlling, discussion is
1125:. Regardless of if the speedy category was incorrect, this was a nonsense category that will have zero chance of surviving a CfD. There's very few times I will cite 43: 894:. IAR says that if a rule is preventing you from improving the encyclopedia then you can ignore it. I don't see creating this category improves the encyclopedia. 556:
Sir, we do have some really good resources on Muthukumar, we will establish that in the restored draft but if still the afd rejects it then we are okay with it.
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I just went ahead and blocked the appellant. I've dealt with Grace Wan socks before, looks like we'll have to do so again for a while. --
221:, for un-mutilating.) An SPI is probably in order for the appellant, whose only two edits are this DRV entry. and there is a history of 432: 200:
None of the links above refer to a deleted page. Please can you specify the exact name of the page you'r7e requesting assistance with.
1129:, but this is one of them: we have no reason to keep this cat, and process for the sake of process is just wasting everyone's time. — 732:
In any event, I don’t believe that this user category would have been eligible for deletion under G3, as I wouldn’t describe it as a
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I prefer to try again submit Grace Wan article because there is new information independent article that can add new references.
21: 148: 656: 448:. I would like to point out that Muthukumar has been part of several significant shows and played the leads in the shows 1088:, though not without feeling that this is a very poor way to spend other editors' time. I will be !voting delete at CfD. 1093: 715:
The deletion log for this user category is a bit confusing. The CfD discussion close says it was speedily deleted under
652: 599: 547: 1149: 636: 578: 361: 312: 98: 17: 1025:- In the internet world, we commonly have people who seem to want to confuse the Knowledge (XXG) category system with 1052: 344: 169: 81: 804:; it's clearly an inappropriate joke category and sending it through CFD is just spending extra unnecessary time. 527:- Can the deleted article be restored to draftspace so that it can be worked upon and made eligible for mainspace? 828: 561: 532: 515: 491: 473: 297: 276: 230: 981: 918: 877: 763: 737: 449: 823:(after these years) because it should have been decided based on discussion, rather than a speedy criterion. 460:
of Nazara channel. There are resources for supporting these roles of Muthukumar. Therefore Muthukumar passes
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to the extent that retaining the user category would conflict with the codified guideline. Best,
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I’m bringing this to DRV because (1) a recreation would otherwise be open to being deleted under
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interviews, tabloid gossip, etc.), although there may be foreign-language sources I've missed.
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2017 January 4#Category:Feline Wikipedians
1070: 1026: 617: 271:- I think that restoring a deleted version to draft space is usually a waste of time. 782:
at CFD. I'd also nominate Wikipedians who cannot be trout-slapped etc. for deletion.
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Category:Wikipedians who cannot be trout-slapped because they are already fish
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Knowledge (XXG):Categories for discussion/Log/2022 September 2 § Pickle cabal
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I've cataloged a list of all joke user category deletion discussions at
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ability right now to develop & propose such a change myself. Best,
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You really don't want to go there. See the discussion at the top of
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A speedy deletion was inappropriate as it isn't vandalism. As such,
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that user categories which are "jokes/nonsense" are inappropriate (
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both closures if the appellant is asking to review the closures.
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in order, because the filing party is a blocked sockpuppet?
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I would argue (here, and in any relisted discussion) that
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But not a category. - 814:07:37, 10 October 2023 (UTC) 626:21:31, 16 October 2023 (UTC) 738:userbox of a similar nature 351:17:29, 6 October 2023 (UTC) 1175: 1155:Please do not modify it. 642:Please do not modify it. 584:Please do not modify it. 367:Please do not modify it. 318:Please do not modify it. 104:Please do not modify it. 40:Deletion review archives 1133:The Hand That Feeds You 934:which ended in flames. 450:Kya Haal, Mr. Paanchal? 1084:so I guess I'd !vote 796:On second thoughts, 1086:overturn and relist 1067:Overturn and relist 821:Overturn and Relist 779:overturn and relist 639:of the page above. 364:of the page above. 101:of the page above. 1090:Extraordinary Writ 544:Extraordinary Writ 454:Sasural Simar Ka 2 378:Radhika Muthukumar 334:Radhika Muthukumar 1162: 1161: 1035:. 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Knowledge (XXG):Deletion review
Log
2023 September 20
Deletion review archives
2023 September
2023 September 22
21 September 2023
Grace Wan
Star
Mississippi
01:51, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
deletion review
Grace Wan
talk
edit
history
logs
links
watch
XfD
restore
Dobët100
talk
Dobët100
talk
11:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
Stifle
talk
13:04, 21 September 2023 (UTC)
User:Cryptic

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