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Halsall book does not mention the Iazyges, so he cannot be used to support the idea that the theory of Arthur fighting them is right or wrong. Nor does the Lacy book (at least from a google books search). All they do is shoot down idea of Arthur having any historical basis as Lucius Artorius Castus. I am having some difficulty discovering if the final book cited, "Lucius Artorius Castus and the King Arthur Legend" by Miletić , even exists. The ISBN does not show anything on google, a search for it finds nothing, and the only mention of it that I can find links back to our article on Lucius, which does not reference this book. If it does exist,I have grave, grave doubts about any book which does much more than discuss high medieval attitudes to the legend.
451:"They were often in conflict with Rome, with them raiding the Romans, and the Romans sending a punitive expedition to discourage future raids, and punish the raiders.": This sentence is a bit of a mess, to be honest. "with them raiding" is not a good construction, we have "Rome...Romans...Romans" in the same sentence, plus "raiding...raids...raiders" and there are two clauses beginning with "and". And there is probably too much going on for one sentence.
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460:"This followed with the Roman policy of allowing tribes or countries to continue to exist under Roman control, rather than annexing them, if they would be too rebellious to be worth assimilating.": Again, there is too much going on in one sentence. "This followed
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