443:: As a diver, I'd be interested in knowing if the underwater remains of the ship have deteriorated over time. Possible impacts might include hurricanes or other storms, further construction of the breakwater, or other damage. Also, if anyone has salvaged (or pilfered) parts of the ship, that would be worth documenting as well. I've written about some of these post-depositional impacts at
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Washingtonian's Navy charter had ended. In late August, American-Hawaiian ships switched to taking the canal route, sailing on a San Francisco – Panama Canal – Boston route, opposite of the route used by the Mexican, Honolulan, and sister ship Pennsylvanian."
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Washingtonian had a speed of 12.5 knots (23.2 km/h), and was powered by a single steam engine with oil-fired boilers which drove a single screw propellor
Washingtonian's cargo holds, which had a storage capacity of 490,858 cubic feet (13,899.6 m3), were outfitted with a complete refrigeration plant
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