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101:: There are two objections which I anticipate, so here are my pre-emptive responses. First, copyediting: this article failed last time because it had not been properly edited. However, we have made a good-faith effort to make this article presentable and would appreciate a little slack. If there are any glaring errors, let us know and we'll fix them immediately. Second, the book covers: though several users have expressed some concern about the number used, no one has lodged any formal objections and we are confident that they capture the spirit of the novel. 31: 304:
sort of analysis, you could probably add an external link to another site that has done such a thing, but this isn't really the place; this article needs to be stripped down to the facts. (eg. Johnny then went to the river with his mother; and this represents his freudian blah blah blah. SHOULD be simply: Johnny went to the river with his mother.)
81:. Several other editors and I have spent a lot of time copyediting and cleaning up this article. To be perfectly honest, there isn't much more we can do on our own. I hope you will see fit to give this article FA status, and if not please give us some constructive feedback so we can keep improving it. Thanks again. 417:
Although I love Heinlein and really think more people should be exposed to his work, I have a few reservations as to the suitability of this article for featured article status, given its at times technical/specific nature. Also, very very minor detail, the aliens are sometimes referred to as the
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I have never actually read this selection, even though it has always been one of those i knew i should; but having said that, I found the article rather long winded and much too analytical to really be NPOV. Overall the article is very informative, but much too in-depth; if you want to have this
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As do I, this NOR policy needs to be handled a little bit more flexibly than many editors seems to want to contemplate. Is not the process of finding and including "reviewers and critics" comments original research of it's own type. I understand the policy aim, but we need to avoid being too
130:, but, in fact, a creation of our own new analysis. We don't get to make judgement calls about whether reviewers and critics are right or wrong in their interpretations, and we don't get to originate our own. 215:
Looking at the talk page, it sounds like there is no source for the specific passage mentioned there. Unless a published source has promulgated this idea, it is original research that has to be removed.
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is a controversial science fiction novel by Robert Heinlein about powered armor warfare from an infantryman's perspective. The book has always been a personal favorite of mine, so this is a self-nom. I
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Bugs and at other times as the Arachnids, with no statement that I saw saying these terms are synonymous. In the end, I support given how well reaserched and written the article is.
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the covers. There's a difference between the two, and that is what determines if the images are being used to illustrate the article, or are merely being used to decorate it. --
77: 321:- I think it's good; however, shouldn't there be some sort of symbolism section? But it doesn't really matter becuase it explores far more themes thanthe symbolism. 307:
Could you be a little more specific? You're not giving me much to work with :). Were there any particular areas that you think could/should be trimmed down?
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Since Heinlein compares the Arachnids on more than one occasion to Communists, it's more than likely that they serve as a foil for the individualistic Terrans
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problems. The entire "Comparisons to Heinlein's other works" section is basically literary analysis by a Wikipedian editor, as is the sentence
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It's a very different thing to cite the opinions of named, reputed critics and to include such analysis in the article without attribution.
126:. We're arguing that certain critics are wrong, and "drawing conclusions" (in the words of a Talk page contributor) that are not only not 375:
Until some sort of consensus can be reached, I have removed all but three covers. This nomination is about the article, not the images.
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this article for FA status at the beginning of February. Since then, the article has been extensively rewritten and received a thorough
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I don't think that was quite what I was saying. All references to reviewers and critics shoudl be properly referenced. Quite agree. ::
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There is also a current comic book series based on the book, by a company called Markosia.
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Striking objection, but not supporting until examining image question in more detail.
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If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the
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Tossed in a line at the beginning of "Plot" about the terms being synonymous.
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I still miss anything about the various comic books based on the novel. --
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My point was that it's not "original research" to gather such opinions.
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Removed two of the images and added detailed captions to the rest.
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I think this article is pretty comprehensive about the subject.
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I threw in a line about the comics under Adaptations.
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Knowledge:Featured article candidates
archive
current main page
Starship Troopers
unsuccessfully nominated
Peer Review
Palm_Dogg
01:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Palm_Dogg
01:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
talk page
WP:NOR
verifiable
Jkelly
Jkelly
16:57, 3 March 2006 (UTC)
talk page
Bcrowell
04:10, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Kevinalewis

10:15, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Andrew Levine
17:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Kevinalewis

17:57, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Andrew Levine
18:06, 2 March 2006 (UTC)
Christopher Parham

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