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314:. It's been almost a week and no reply to my concerns raised above. I did some more digging and found nothing to make me more confident in Brandt as a source. Apparently his 2004 documentary on Manos is based around an outright false claim (that everyone involved in the movie died or disappeared mysteriously, except a lone stuntman). As it stands, this article is based heavily on a fanzine article by a questionable person... it's not really FA material and could need a total rewrite if I'm right. I know I could be wrong, but someone needs to clear things up... and that doesn't seem to be happening. Sorry... I know people worked hard on this article... and don't doubt they did so thinking they were using a trustworthy source. -- 221:, but his story seems rather unlikely... he decided to write an article about the movie, then by shear coincidence learned that two people who made the movie are poker buddies of his good friend? It's not even clear the article isn't just a joke. I'd like to see some kind of corroboration that Brandt is to be believed before we report his claims as facts. This issue doesn't seem to have been raised in the FAC or on the talk page. -- 191:
research. The source only quotes Nayman saying "Everyone worked real hard, and the only ones who got paid were me and Shanka. I got a new bicycle, and Shanka got a fifty-pound bag of dog food" - the Knowledge (XXG) article appears to draw from that that the movie didn't break even. Yeah it probably didn't... but it still seems like a claim that runs afoul of
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The more I dig, the stranger this is. Everything about the production of Manos seems to trace back to Brandt as the source. People have pointed out various claims of his seem more intended to be interesting and funny than factually accurate (for instance, his claim that Harold Warren was a fertilizer
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job of summarizing the production and reception of an obscure film... those sections read like a textbook featured article. If the information in them proves not to be BS, and the plot section is trimmed (its length caused me to skip over it to more interesting sections), this could be salvaged as a
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that he's a fertilizer salesman, but it seems like it was purely a joke). Furthermore, even the 1966 newspaper article someone scanned in is problematic. Maybe I'm just being overly paranoid here, but I find the last sentence "Someone is spoofing us" to be very strange... it has nothing to do with
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The claim "Reports that the only crew members who were compensated for their work in the film were Jackey Neyman and her family's dog, who received a bicycle and a large quantity of dog food, respectively, would seem to indicate that the film failed to break even financially" seems like original
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I am nominating this featured article for review because I do not believe it is up to FA-class standards. For example, the plot section is too long, and there are too many one- and two-sentence paragraphs. Honestly, I do not feel as if this article was ever up to FA-class standards.
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A broader problem is that, in tracking down the source for the above issue, it seems this article is heavily based on 2 articles that ran in
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salesman has no non-Brandt source, and many people claim it's not true... in the MST3K episode they
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Suggested criteria are citations, original research/verifiability. Also note the recent changed to
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the article, as far as I can tell... and could be a clue that the whole thing is a prank. --
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Further comments should be made on the article's talk page or at
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there's a WP article on). Brandt's source appears to be
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350:The above discussion is preserved as an archive. 43:). No further edits should be made to this page. 356:No further edits should be made to this page. 29:The following is an archived discussion of a 8: 41:Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article review 235:I will say that this article still does a 88: 91: 81: 74: 18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured article review 7: 219:interviews with 2 production people 24: 286:requiring "high-quality sources" 304:03:25, 30 September 2009 (UTC) 250:21:04, 28 September 2009 (UTC) 231:20:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC) 205:20:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC) 184:22:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC) 155:. Images need alt text as per 1: 169:21:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC) 148:19:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC) 343:21:10, 8 October 2009 (UTC) 324:01:35, 4 October 2009 (UTC) 270:00:36, 6 October 2009 (UTC) 373: 331:, concerns not addressed. 353:Please do not modify it. 65:Manos: The Hands of Fate 36:Please do not modify it. 56:04:32, 20 October 2009 31:featured article review 54:YellowAssessmentMonkey 174:I'm working on it. -- 146: 126:WikiProject Films 117: 116: 71:Review commentary 364: 355: 299: 291: 140: 138: 89: 48:The article was 38: 372: 371: 367: 366: 365: 363: 362: 361: 360: 351: 316:Sancho Mandoval 297: 289: 278: 276:FARC commentary 262:Sancho Mandoval 242:Sancho Mandoval 223:Sancho Mandoval 197:Sancho Mandoval 136: 73: 68: 34: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 370: 368: 359: 358: 346: 345: 326: 308: 307: 277: 274: 273: 272: 252: 233: 215:Richard Brandt 207: 187: 186: 137:Dream out loud 131: 130: 129: 128: 115: 114: 113: 112: 110:External links 107: 102: 94: 93: 87: 86: 80: 79: 72: 69: 67: 62: 61: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 369: 357: 354: 348: 347: 344: 340: 336: 335: 330: 327: 325: 321: 317: 313: 310: 309: 306: 305: 300: 295: 293: 292: 285: 280: 279: 275: 271: 267: 263: 258: 253: 251: 247: 243: 238: 234: 232: 228: 224: 220: 216: 212: 208: 206: 202: 198: 194: 189: 188: 185: 181: 177: 173: 172: 171: 170: 166: 162: 158: 154: 150: 149: 144: 139: 127: 124: 121: 120: 119: 118: 111: 108: 106: 103: 101: 98: 97: 96: 95: 90: 85: 82: 78: 75: 70: 66: 63: 60: 58: 55: 51: 44: 42: 37: 32: 27: 26: 19: 352: 349: 332: 328: 311: 301: 298:bananabucket 290:YellowMonkey 287: 281: 256: 236: 152: 151: 132: 122: 105:Citation bot 49: 47: 35: 28: 237:fantastic 161:Eubulides 123:Notified: 284:WP:WIAFA 211:"Mimosa" 100:Analysis 153:Comment 92:Toolbox 50:removed 329:Delist 312:Delist 240:FA. -- 157:WP:ALT 193:WP:OR 176:Moni3 16:< 339:talk 334:Cirt 320:talk 266:talk 257:joke 246:talk 227:talk 201:talk 195:. -- 180:talk 165:talk 143:talk 52:by 341:) 322:) 302:) 268:) 248:) 229:) 203:) 182:) 167:) 159:. 59:. 33:. 337:( 318:( 294:( 264:( 244:( 225:( 199:( 178:( 163:( 145:) 141:( 134:–

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Knowledge (XXG):Featured article review
featured article review
Knowledge (XXG) talk:Featured article review
YellowAssessmentMonkey

Manos: The Hands of Fate
Featured article candidates/Manos: The Hands of Fate
Featured article review/Manos: The Hands of Fate/archive1
Analysis
Citation bot
External links
WikiProject Films
Dream out loud
talk
19:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
WP:ALT
Eubulides
talk
21:47, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Moni3
talk
22:47, 10 September 2009 (UTC)
WP:OR
Sancho Mandoval
talk
20:59, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
"Mimosa"
Richard Brandt
interviews with 2 production people
Sancho Mandoval

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