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for a club, either he did or he didn't. In each case there may be no one definitive source from which to take the information, so research has to be done. If I submitted such a footballer list and said, "Well, it's not complete, but there are a lot of them, and I'll add the rest if and when...", that list would fail. Why should a different standard apply to this list? Actually, I don't expect you to be able to answer this; maybe the director can explain the difference? cheers,
969:). In terms of existing articles on Knowledge (XXG), I really believe that that's now it. Of course I'm not relying on the inclusion of every article on Knowledge (XXG) as being sufficient to pass FLC: if I thought that, I would have nominated a list with about 30 or 40 names (and would have saved myself a lot of work in the process, seeing as I wrote 90+ of the 125 biographies on the list, to make it as comprehensive as possible before coming to FLC).
462:"Regius Professor of Civil Law (1553–1559), one of the eight original Fellows of the college" ta-da! If you need to separate phrases beyond a comma insert a semi-colon (e.g., "I have three red, blue, and yellow hats; five orange, green, and blue sticks; and two black shoes."). Maybe you just misunderstood TRM? Perhaps he can help clarify the full stop issue, but I think the list looks pretty cluttered with all the periods now. --
77:) and so this section was split off into its own page to save space. When the "people associated list" got its star, there were just 25 names of fellows and principals; there are now 118 names (if I can count correctly) all with references. Let me address "comprehensiveness", since this is always of interest with lists of this sort. As well as, of course, including all names in
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and everything, but I'm not going to be caught in a ping-pong battle over full-stops in notes without someone pointing to specific passages in MOS. (Pointing to other FLs gets us nowhere fast, since I can point to another similar FL with plenty of full stops in the notes.) In any case, I have a question: when there are two incomplete sentences (e.g. William Aubrey:
965:(needless to say, that's a route I've been down as well to find additional names for this list and the alumni list). So I looked in my back issues of the College Record and found a few more names, and they've been added, (each with a one or two year period of Fellowship) plus a college chaplain I found lurking in the shadows without any mention of his time at JC (
329:- under IE7, unless I look at the list with a horizontal resolution of at least 1600 pixels, all the images push the list to the bottom. Check it out. I think it's related to you forcing the table width, but I'm not 100% sure. It's probably fine under Firefox and Safari, but, it needs to be okay under IE7 really.
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comprehensive, even though I can't of course put my hand on my heart and say that no notable Fellow has been omitted. Hardy's history of the
College, published at the end of the 19th century, listed 369 Fellows between 1571 and 1898, but the majority aren't notable at all in Knowledge (XXG) terms.
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Yeah, I would completely disagree with TRM. No full stop (or period, in this case) is needed if there is no complete sentence per MOS. Moreover, The James Howell caption is a participle phrase; it has no preceding subject and verb and is thus not a complete sentence. This is consistent with other WP
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See above (groan!) TRM picked out that "Professor of
Zoology" (Paul Harvey's note) didn't have a full-stop, and asked for consistency. I took him to mean that that particular entry should have a full stop, and so should similar entries, so I added full stops throughout. What's the official line to
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I do have a question on comprehensiveness, provoked by the arrival of several more fellows overnight. The scope of this list appears to be well-defined and finite: either someone was a principal or fellow or he wasn't, just as in a list of footballers who played more than a certain number of games
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Suggest restructuring the Celtic section; it's rather repetitive, and the second sentence doesn't really say what you mean. Something like "Holders of the position since its creation in 1877 include Celtic scholars such as John Rhys, Ellis Evans and current
Professor Thomas Charles-Edwards." Though
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I'm caught between the devil and the deep-blue sea here. The FL Director wants one thing, the next reviewer says that the FL Director himself is wrong. Fantastic. Whose lead am I meant to follow - whoever speaks last? I've reworded the James Howell caption, to make it a proper sentence with a verb
986:, and certainly don't pass that standard just by being an Oxbridge Fellow. So it could never be a "complete list of all Fellows", or even "a complete list of all notable Fellows", but I've done my very best to ensure that it's a "comprehensive list of notable Fellows". Hope this helps.
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You need some consistency in reference formatting. Your publication dates currently use at least three different formats, see notes 11, 12 and 15 for example; please pick one (international format, as 29 July 2008, is most frequently used in
English articles) and stick to
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As for the fellows that arrived overnight, it occurred to me late yesterday that some of the Welsh
Supernumerary Fellows of recent years might have articles about them that didn't mention Jesus College, and so wouldn't have shown up in a "what links here" search for
900:- "It comprehensively covers the defined scope" - so, as long as the scope is adequately defined, and then the list meets the definition and the community are satisfied that the criterion 3 (and the others, of course) are met then the list can be promoted.
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They have, and I hope enough nits have been picked. Avoiding the use of "current" can be taken too far; the introduction to this list would hardly have been complete without mention of the current
Principal, for instance :-) cheers,
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As for more articles that could be written? Well, I've cleaned out the three major reference sources mentioned above, and ensured every
Principal and every founding Fellow is included as well, and so I think the list
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column end in a period when not all are complete sentences? Similarly, some of the picture captions (e.g., "The college crest above the Ship Street entrance gate.") should not end with a period either per
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Think procedurally it's probably up to the reviewer(s) to say whether there are issues outstanding, which I thought I had, and certainly
Eustress had if he/she is supporting, however that's by the by.
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449:) should there be 0, 1 or 2 full-stops? Or should such notes be reworded into one sentence or one note (thus risking losing the whole snappiness of the notes section in the first place)?
597:. Describing former students as "alumni" is a comparatively new thing – "comparatively new", at any rate, in the context of a university that's been teaching since the 11th century...
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957:← Apologies if I trod on anyone's toes by my note earlier - I was just trying to improve general readability, but didn't want to put comments made by others into collapsing boxes.
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Delink the King
Charles I in "King Charles I Fellows" and link it when you refer to him as founder. Maybe referring to him as Charles I rather than King Charles would sound better?
936:) and there's never been a 100% agreement on the best approach. At least criterion 3 makes an attempt to suggest there should be a "defined scope" which is better than nothing.
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Charles Edwards, the date for the fellow is "1997 onwards".. Is he still a fellow? Perhaps "1997–present" would be better. Same for others that use "year onwards".
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Works much better for me now. Found "(1689–1701). Bishop of Hereford (1701–12)." by the way - just double-check you caught all those inconsistent year things.
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follow here, please? As for the full-stop after "gate", it's gone. Any others? (James Howell's caption feels like a sentence to me, hence the full stop).
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OK - but actually since these are the same references as in the main list, I've just removed the references. No point in adding extra noise to the lead.
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Other reasons given for the other two "?"s - it's where they're WSFs and it's unclear from the obituary when their successor was appointed.
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Very helpful, thank you very much indeed for your thorough review. Unless mentioned otherwise, all your comments have been actioned.
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Do you think separating Powell's and Hazel's election dates with commas rather than parentheses might make them look less like asides?
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and so meet notability standards on WP, not all Fellows of an Oxbridge college (past or present) pass
641:: After responding to all suggestions (from me and others) I believe list now meets all FL criteria --
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Ah-ha, I'd tried various sizes on different monitors to get it to flow nicely - needn't have bothered!
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What do the English really know about English anyway :-) (j/k) Thanks for the clarification. --
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Leoline Jenkins being a former Principal should definitely come out of the brackets.
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A comma somewhere suitable in the Seth Ward sentence might make it easier to read.
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Pity poor Eubule Thelwall who hath no notes... nothing at all to say about him?
864:, I'll just note that there are no outstanding issues from the above comments.
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The last two occurrences of Principal in the first paragraph are uncapitalised.
231:"Professor of Zoology" - no full stop? Check other entries for consistency.
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Looks like that photograph is slightly tilted top left to bottom right...!
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then, if it's a proper noun and not just another way of saying alumnus. --
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Change Strawson's note from "now Prof at Reading" to "since 20xx ...".
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Try now, I've stopped forcing the table width and the column widths.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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purely subjective, then :-) thanks for clearing that up... cheers,
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Order refs numerically unless there's a real good reason not to.
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The third John Lloyd's notes are still centred. Also Thelwall's.
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447:(1553–1559). One of the eight original Fellows of the college.
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Whilst all professional footballers playing for Arsenal pass
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116–7 vs 53–54 in the refs for page ranges - be consistent.
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Is fellow capitalised or not? Seems to be inconsistent...
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Pesky, aren't they? Last two (I hope) are gone. Thanks.
179:" - no they're not, they're not bold, so unbold this one!
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589:Err, no - it's not just a Jesus College thing: see
282:Hadn't noticed that, clearly college is built at a
1144:The above discussion is preserved as an archive.
214:Wikilinked in the lead with a brief explanation.
211:What's Emeritus? (I know, but readers may not)
571:Gotcha. Perhaps it should be linked instead to
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1094:Both comments actioned. Thank you, Matthew.
519:I've created a redirect from "Old Member" to "
239:"1905, 1909, 1913, 1917" odd tenure. Reason?
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29:The following is an archived discussion of a
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719:Why does Governing Body need capitals?
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306:Done. Anything else from anybody?
226:First of many... Fixed, good catch.
195:I despise centrally aligned notes.
105:all fellows who had an obituary in
88:the eight founding fellows of 1571;
573:Old Member (Jesus College, Oxford)
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738:"current" should be avoided; see
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149:- quick run-through from a
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153:on a Saturday evening...!
1065:Otherwise it looks good.
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