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And then "16,020 long tons (16,280 t)"..... looks like an inconsistent conversion is being used, or truncation of division not be used consistently. On second thoughts, it might be a sourcing issue. Either way, (and especially now I've seen 20,000 long tons (20,000 t)) the inconsistency needs to be
667:"Most of the heavy cruisers were used as commerce raiders during the war," – Is this referring to the Spanish Civil War, the only war mentioned in this paragraph, or World War II? Presumably the paragraph switches to World War II at some point if not there, and this needs to be made clear. 715:"The O-class ships were significantly larger, faster, and more powerful. These ships, however, were also not built." – If they were never built, they couldn't be larger, faster OR more powerful. They "would have been significantly larger, faster and more powerful." Or something similar. 387:"Admiral Graf Spee was meanwhile scuttled after the Battle of the River Plate" this sentence troubles me. "was meanwhile" doesn't read brilliantly i would remove meanwhile, also what was scuttled mean? As I'm not aware of this term, if there is a wikilink to it that would help 718:"to build 50,000 long tons (51,000 t) of heavy cruisers, enough for five 10000-long ton ships." – Inconsistent displacement notage. "10000-long ton ships" appears to be the only time in the whole list that a conversion isn't given, and no comma is used in a long number. 174: 709:
Actually, both should have hyphens - when used with a noun (like battlecruiser, ship, etc.) the name of the class is treated as a compound adjective. The only time hyphens aren't used is when the class name is used by itself, (i.e,. the ships of the O
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Navies at this time, especially the German Navy, were routinely violating treaty restrictions - the treaty system had largely fallen apart in 1937 when Japan backed out, anyway. That said, this article really isn't the place to discuss
396:"Admiral Hipper was scuttled by her crew after having been heavily damaged..." not keen on 'after having been' reads awkwardly, would change to "Admiral Hipper was scuttled by her crew due to heavy damage sustained by RAF bombers." 569:
D class, "In 1933, Hitler authorized...". Although I have a hard time believing anyone might not know who Hitler was, I would suggest giving his full name, position and linking to his article on the first occurrence of his
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The prose states that "The treaty limited large German warships to a displacement of 10,000 long tons (10,160 t)" but in the table, the displacements are all around 15,000 long tons: could the reason for this be stated
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once this article makes FL. I feel this list is very close to FL quality, and I look forward to working with reviewers in ensuring it meets the criteria. Thanks in advance to all who take the time to review the list.
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In the "Deutschland class" section, you use a lower case 't' for treaty, but in "Admiral Hipper class" you use a capital "T". I don't really have a preference either way, but you need to be consistent.
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Another list of German warships, this one comprises all of the heavy cruisers built or designed by Germany in the 1920s through 1940s. The list has already passed a MILHIST A-class review (see
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Incidentally, the ship's page and the class page both have the "10,000 long tons (10,000 t)" problem, so it might be worth having a look around all the articles in the proposed GT for this!
706:"..three O class battlecruisers. The O-class ships.." – remove the hyphen from the second use of O class here. The lead also uses a hyphen in the third paragraph, remove that too! 88: 83: 789:
It just seems inconsistent that on the ship's article it states that "The ultimate fate of Lützow is unclear" but in this article no allusion is made at all to the uncertainty.
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You relink a few terms in the Deutschland class that were linked in the lead such as the Spanish Civil War, yet World War II is not linked in that section, any reason why?
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states numbers over nine should use their numerical form and not be spelled out. twenty-two needs in the first para needs to be in numerals, can see a few more as well.
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In the D class section the prose states "20,000 long tons (20,000 t)" presumably this needs to change to "20,000 long tons (20,321 t)" as is used in the table.
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For the ships with 10,000 t displacement, the lead shows them as having 9,800 long tons of displacement, but the body shows 10,000 in multiple places.
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I don't really like messing with alt text, since, as far as I'm aware, they still haven't figured out what exactly is useful for alt text.
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article suggests there is some disagreement about the final fate of the Lützow; but only one fate is listed in this list as "fact".
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A result of a disagreement over the eventual fate of the ship - one source says 1958-59, another says 1960. Updated to reflect this.
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Again for the Admiral Hipper class, is there a reason that the displacement is so much higher than the Treaty allowed them?
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The sentence is grammatically fine (past perfect rather than simple past), though there is a passive voice issue. How does "
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Prager is based on the declassified Soviet archives, the others are works from the 60s-80s, and thus less reliable.
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This comment does not effect my support, as it is quite minor. Prose, sourcing and images all look solid.
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The tonnage discrepancy was a convert template error, should have been 10,000 long tons, not metric tons.
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10,000 long tons is converted above, you don't need to convert a number every time.
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s crew scuttled the ship after she sustained heavy damage from RAF bombers" sound?
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The text says Lutzow was scrapped in the 1950s, but the table says 1960.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in
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That's a fair point - added first name, link, and position.
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In fact, going a little bit deeper on this last point, the
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Should all be addressed, thanks for reviewing the list.
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for row and col spans (to assist screen readers per
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Everything looks good now. 207:Alt text for the images would be nice. 181:, which will be ready to head over to 757:Everything else should be addressed. 7: 644:In the first paragraph you spell it 674:in the "Deutschland class" section? 24: 72:List of heavy cruisers of Germany 65:List of heavy cruisers of Germany 627:Resolved comments from Harrias 1: 614:12:22, 23 February 2012 (UTC) 600:23:41, 22 February 2012 (UTC) 586:17:24, 19 February 2012 (UTC) 556:23:34, 18 February 2012 (UTC) 531:10:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC) 505:10:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC) 483:00:06, 17 February 2012 (UTC) 441:10:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC) 409:23:34, 16 February 2012 (UTC) 370:10:56, 17 February 2012 (UTC) 280:11:07, 10 February 2012 (UTC) 345:02:14, 9 February 2012 (UTC) 328:11:06, 8 February 2012 (UTC) 259:12:53, 7 February 2012 (UTC) 236:02:54, 26 January 2012 (UTC) 196:01:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC) 166:01:49, 17 January 2012 (UTC) 857: 781:German cruiser Deutschland 312:"canceled" or "cancelled"? 177:), and is the capstone to 827:19:39, 9 March 2012 (UTC) 800:12:44, 4 March 2012 (UTC) 767:12:28, 4 March 2012 (UTC) 753:11:18, 4 March 2012 (UTC) 837:Please do not modify it. 309:) in each of the tables. 298:resolved or explained... 36:Please do not modify it. 31:featured list nomination 495:That sounds fine to me 360:Resolved comments from 270:Resolved comments from 457:, removed "meanwhile" 56:21:10, 12 March 2012 776: 775: 516: 515: 354: 353: 169: 151: 150: 848: 839: 823: 818: 794: 747: 684:Does linking to 637: 626: 623: 554: 551: 546: 472: 359: 356: 320:The Rambling Man 272:The Rambling Man 269: 266: 232: 226: 154: 123: 113: 95: 38: 856: 855: 851: 850: 849: 847: 846: 845: 844: 835: 821: 816: 792: 745: 670:Could you link 635: 632:;Comments from 549: 544: 541: 470: 460:No real reason. 301:Need to follow 230: 224: 86: 70: 68: 34: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 854: 852: 843: 842: 830: 829: 807: 806: 805: 804: 803: 802: 774: 773: 772: 771: 770: 769: 736: 733: 732: 731: 724: 723: 722: 716: 713: 712: 711: 704: 701: 698:Admiral Scheer 694: 691: 690: 689: 679: 675: 668: 665: 664: 663: 629: 628: 621: 620: 619: 618: 617: 616: 574: 573: 572: 559: 558: 534: 533: 514: 513: 512: 511: 510: 509: 508: 507: 488: 487: 486: 485: 468:Admiral Hipper 464: 461: 458: 448: 447: 446: 445: 444: 443: 424: 423: 422: 421: 398: 397: 394: 391: 388: 385: 373: 372: 352: 351: 350: 349: 348: 347: 317: 316: 313: 310: 299: 295: 292: 283: 282: 264: 263: 262: 261: 247: 244: 241: 218: 213: 208: 201:Quick comments 171: 170: 156:Nominator(s): 149: 148: 147: 146: 144:External links 141: 136: 128: 127: 121: 120: 67: 62: 61: 46: 45: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 853: 841: 838: 832: 831: 828: 825: 824: 819: 812: 809: 808: 801: 798: 796: 795: 788: 787: 785: 784: 782: 778: 777: 768: 764: 760: 756: 755: 754: 751: 749: 748: 741: 737: 734: 728: 727: 725: 720: 719: 717: 714: 708: 707: 705: 702: 699: 695: 692: 688:clarify this? 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