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compared to the awful tone and colour balance, especially in the shadows. I hear the comments of the nominator and accept that the general shift in colour balance I uploaded isn't based on anything objective, but neutral, dense blacks is something any subject in this lighting should definitely have. I still have the PSD file of the edit & could clone out the figure on the left, retaining much of the original's colour balance but beefing up the shadows, if that's likely to help things along. --
577:. I find the Original very good, and I don't believe the Edit's colours are true to what we saw (I was there with author when he took the picture). Some fine details of the edit look weird on my monitor as well (like blueish edges or something) and this is noticeable on the lower part of the façade. Also, should we take into account negatives votes whom reason is the leaning of the right tower when we have (kind of) proven it is how the building actually 310:. Could do with a bit of colour correction I think. I know its a very sodium-light-tinted scene, but its a still a bit warm. The areas of shadow seem a bit peculiar and posterised. Also, its significantly tilted, particularly at the top where the perspective is exaggerated. Could relatively easily be corrected, so I can't see why not. Would support it with the correction of the tilt at the least. The other issues are more minor and optional. 64: 44: 624: 34: 54: 688:
What ghosts? ;o) Apart from the extreme lhs, it's not a simple clone job. The bottom of one of the doors is totally obscured and, like much of the detail behind many of the FG figures, is basically irretrievable, at least without alternative frames to clone from. For me, this is a minor issue anyway,
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It really is a very good photograph, the sort of detail you'd see on an old plate negative of the place. Unfortunately, the colour balance looks Victorian too. Most tellingly, there are no blacks where there should be: silhouetted foreground figures should be black, not red-brown. The same applies to
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until the horizontals line up. This is especially noticeable at the top where the right tower is shorter than the left by 28 pixels, and is nearly 2 degrees off horizontal. I really doubt it's engineering fault since this is quite a large discrepancy, and that it gets worse as you go up, which
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When looked at with full resolution the detail is impressive, but overall the image is flat and uninteresting with an unattractive Brown Windsor soup background. The blurred people are also unappealing, even on the thumbnail.
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pending photographer's agreement that the colors still look realistic after the edit. The only jpeg artifact I see is around the antenna at the top of the tower; where are the artifacts you are talking about, Kaldari?
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The building is not 100% straight, so it should not be straightened in the image for maxiumum encylopaedic value. Please read the successful nomination on Commons, where many issues were brought up.
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Seems like it's a product of the shadow from the neighbouring tower. I dislike the strong sharpening - it should be toned down a bit as it's giving everything a halo hence despite the nice scene
707:- beautifully detailed image, which makes me want to read more about the cathedral. Some of the beautiful detail is lost in the edit - look, for example, at the iron tracery on the doors. 636:. Do you think you could upload a less sharpened version? Looking at the original it's pretty clear that I'm not just imagining that pretty heavey sharpening has been applied. -- 416:
detail in the hedgerows and buildings to the sides, I'd rather see no detail at all than colour-aliased "false" detail. HDR mapping problem is my guess, so it may be fixable.
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Great pic, but the ghost in the bottom-left corner is distracting. There's also some kind of bright bluish thing there, too; do you know what that is?--
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We were very carefull to check that this picture doesn't have perspective problem. The rightmost tower is actually much lower than the left one, and
121:. Notre Dame de Paris is widely considered one of the finest examples of French Gothic architecture. It was restored and saved from destruction by 17: 764: 206:
I didn't notice that blue thing until H said something, and now it's all I can look at. The image is great, but that spot's got to go.
610: 466:- colors not appealing (why is the sky brown?). Heavy jpeg artifacts at full resolution. Would look better without the ghosts. 222: 319: 331: 233:. "I ain't scared of no ghosts..." *) but that distracting blue/black "aura" needs to be removed. What on earth 695: 431: 745: 733: 716: 697: 682: 672: 652: 640: 615: 590: 565: 548: 528: 495: 475: 458: 433: 400: 374: 361: 342: 323: 296: 278: 245: 215: 198: 178: 161: 604: 157: 540: 190: 102: 690: 669: 586: 426: 396: 135: 118: 95: 452: 292: 274: 648:
I'm sorry but there is no stitching error... I put a crop of the original image (before stitch)
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It seems to be the screen of a camera in one of the three pictures used for the HDR picture.
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show this leaning to the right. Please have a look a discussion on this picture's commons'
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Great picture of the Cathedral. It is in my opinion the best picture we got of Notre Dame .
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FWIW I've heard of the leaning towers of Notre Dam before, so no objections there.
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Could someone please remove the ghosts before I promote this? Thanks.
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I'll try to upload a corrected version myself if I get time later on.
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Sharp, highly encylopaedic, well stitched. -- 521:because of lack of agreement about color balance. 556:though I too would like the ghosts to fly away. 517:00:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC) Changed vote to 8: 599: 536:I'd still like to see the ghosts removed.-- 370:correlates well with perspective errors. -- 18:Knowledge (XXG):Featured picture candidates 770:Featured picture nominations/November 2007 125:, one of France's most famous architects. 62: 52: 42: 32: 129:translates as "Our Lady" from French. 7: 740:Promoted Image:NotreDameDeParis.jpg 760:Ended featured picture nominations 48:Edit 1, colour and contrast tweaks 24: 117:cathedral and is the seat of the 622: 630:Stitching error (as per crop). 352:Very beautiful image indeed!-- 132:Articles this image appears in 1: 616:23:46, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 591:12:32, 27 November 2007 (UTC) 566:11:07, 27 November 2007 (UTC) 549:00:40, 27 November 2007 (UTC) 529:04:47, 29 November 2007 (UTC) 496:01:42, 27 November 2007 (UTC) 476:22:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 459:21:43, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 434:14:05, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 401:12:00, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 375:09:08, 26 November 2007 (UTC) 362:21:57, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 343:19:01, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 324:18:27, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 297:17:36, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 279:14:58, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 246:11:29, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 216:03:54, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 199:00:08, 25 November 2007 (UTC) 179:23:27, 24 November 2007 (UTC) 162:22:50, 24 November 2007 (UTC) 765:Featured picture nominations 746:04:09, 8 December 2007 (UTC) 734:18:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC) 717:12:08, 6 December 2007 (UTC) 698:12:18, 4 December 2007 (UTC) 683:04:21, 3 December 2007 (UTC) 673:05:37, 3 December 2007 (UTC) 653:18:44, 3 December 2007 (UTC) 641:05:35, 3 December 2007 (UTC) 101:on the eastern half of the 786: 487:would be the reason. 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Île de la Cité
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Viollet-le-Duc
Notre Dame de Paris
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