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The result of the discussion was: - Keep - its a free image that is used in an article. Use in the article is a matter for editorial discussion rather than a deletion discussion- Peripitus (Talk) 03:23, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

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  • POV, misleading, ungrounded speculation. Anyone with a basic understanding of statistics (and quite a few without too) will see that the regression curve makes no sense. Take out the first point for debut hype, and it becomes clear that the low point is either an outlier or a typo in the source data. A trendline closer to the horizontal is a better fit. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 07:02, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
    • The article claims that the rating for the first episode is worthy of discussion. The graph accepts that as a valid point and includes it. If the consensus is that the rating of the first episode is not statistically relevant then the article also needs to be modified in that light. As discussed once or twice elsewhere, in fact that number of outliers is to be expected in a normal distribution. So, what statistically valid process do you have for eliminating it as a member of the set? Your call. Greglocock (talk) 10:44, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
In fact how could a graph that excludes points not be OR, unless someone in an RS had supplied a rationale for excluding some points? I took points from a reasonable source, if not an RS, and applied the simplest possible analysis. Greglocock (talk) 11:00, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Applying that analysis was OR on your part. Show us a source that suggests a downward trend, because the raw data points alone don't suggest one. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 15:52, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
You are the one suggesting ignoring datapoints, not me. I have included the full dataset. The article discusses the full dataset. I imagine digging up a discussion of the trend is not beyond google, eg http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,24459517-5016681,00.html or http://www.themotorreport.com.au/11122/top-gear-australia-ratings-has-the-aussie-version-found-reverse/
Greglocock (talk) 00:06, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
Irrelevant. The trendline you have added is OR on your part. It suggests a declining trend, when a basic analysis suggests that there isn't one. Looking at the source you provided, the real figures actually show a substantial increase. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 12:21, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
The obvious analysis I applied is to use all the datapoints in the set. It requires extra knwoldege to discard one point. The article makes hay out of the point under contention. Greglocock (talk) 23:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
You've missed the point. The problem is that you applied the analysis. This is what makes it OR. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
To be clear on this, one source you linked to identified the first five, over which it would be reasonable to infer a downward trend, however, you have three additional points which negate the trend.
No, they confirm it. To negate the trend they would have to change the slop to positive. they don't.
I'm confused how three points that are substantially higher could possibly confirm a downward trend. Disregard the highest and lowest result (a common technique), and you get a near-horizontal line. Adding a trend line in this context is inherently POV, since one can apply any rules to get a line that supports the statement you want to make. In this case, by taking this extra step, you can get three conflicting conclusions - an increasing audience, a steady audience, and a decreasing audience. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
The other source compares only the first two points. Again, anyone with the most basic knowledge will happily accept that a reduction from episode 1 to episode 2 is pretty much standard. You can't infer anything from it in the same way that you can't infer from it being colder today than yesterday that winter has arrived. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 12:30, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
I gave those as examples of where the trend was discussed, as you requested "Show us a source that suggests a downward trend, ". I found two in one minute of searching.Greglocock (talk) 23:35, 11 November 2009 (UTC)
You found two that were horrendously out-of-date even at the time frame of your graph. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 09:58, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Correct. There again, I fulfilled your request. Greglocock (talk) 10:11, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I don't recall requesting "sources which might support the claim if you twist both them and the claim enough". 81.111.114.131 (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
This what you wrote "Show us a source that suggests a downward trend, ". I did that. Stop whining. Greglocock (talk) 19:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Yes, that is a good idea. I will do that next week. Greglocock (talk) 10:21, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
Adding any trend line itself might still be POV. Since we now have more ratings info available (I certainly found them up to the end of 2008, doubtless they'll be there for the entire run by now), it would be dishonest to merely reproduce the current chart without the additional data since that to me smacks of furthering the opinion of a decline which later turned out not to be the case. 81.111.114.131 (talk) 14:04, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
I am happy to include the entire data set. Since you are so keen on this perhaps you could tabulate it for me, my time is limited, yours appears not to be? Just tell me where you've put it. Greglocock (talk) 19:09, 12 November 2009 (UTC)
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  • Although appearance on the cover is mentioned in the article (albeit not in any detail), there is no mention or discussion of the cover image itself. It is possible to let readers know that he appeared on the cover without actually showing the cover, fails WP:NFCC#1 and #8. Mosmof (talk) 15:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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  • Although appearance on the cover is mentioned in the article (albeit not in any detail), there is no mention or discussion of the cover image itself. It is possible to let readers know that he appeared on the cover without actually showing the cover, fails WP:NFCC#1 and #8. Mosmof (talk) 15:37, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Wrong forum. The file is on Commons, please nominate it for deletion there if you still feel it should be deleted. AnomieBOT⚡ 17:11, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

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  • This is described as an official publicity photo. Publicity photos are ordinarily works-for-hire, and the copyright is held by the person who commissioned it, typically the subject or his/her representative. The copyright release here is provided under the claim of being the photographer, and there is no OTRS confirmation. Hullaballoo Wolfowitz (talk) 16:49, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Keep. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 09:53, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: kept Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:38, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:49, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: keep. File is no longer orphaned. — ξ 19:36, 29 November 2009 (UTC)}}

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Cirt (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) A file with this name on Commons is now visible. AnomieBOT⚡ 00:00, 11 November 2009 (UTC)

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  • This file was to identify a memorable scene in a television episode. The image of this scene is not important to our understanding of the episode, which can be easily understood without it. Alastairward (talk) 22:17, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Fut.Perf. ☼ 09:52, 6 December 2009 (UTC)

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  • Apparently copyrighted and being used under a claim of fair use, so the CC license is invalid. Does not meet fair use requirements as it has no contextual significance to the article Nam Sang Mi and could be replaced with a free alternative. PC78 (talk) 23:51, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
Sorry wrong license was used. It will be changed. JKSarang 04:10, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
  • Keep. The font is discussed critically in the article. Accordingly, it does meet the fair use requirements. While it probably does not have the technically correct non-free template applied to it, there is a rationale on the file page, and the license tag has been corrected from CC. —C.Fred (talk) 04:40, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
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  • Fair-use image of a living person, doesn't add significantly to the network's article. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 23:57, 10 November 2009 (UTC)
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