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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 19:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Tashi Delek.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by 虞海 (notify | contribs | uploads).
  • This is a non-free logo of a Chinese company. It is being used in the Tashi delek article, apparently to illustrate the commercial usage of a traditional Tibetan greeting. We do not need a non-free image to illustrate this usage; the fact that this phrase is used commercially, if that is indeed important, can be easily conveyed with text. If it is necessary for some reason to graphically illustrate a common style or context in which this phrase is rendered, then a freely licensed mock-up can be made. A second non-free image is also used in the Tashi delek article, apparently to illustrate the same point. The use of these non-free images fails WP:NFCC#1, WP:NFCC#3a, and WP:NFCC#8. —Bkell (talk) 01:33, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Oppose: It's a useful fair-use, to explain the Chinese commercial use of Tashi Delek. Espcially the irregular Pinyin such as "Bei Jing" for Beijing. And those unformal English font, and Chinese typeset to show "classical"... All these significance can't be insteaded by text. --虞海 (Yú Hǎi) (talk) 08:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Seresin (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 19:10, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 08:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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  • Unused, user-created logo. Not enough context is provided to determine what this is a logo for or in what way this image could be used in an encyclopedic manner. —Bkell (talk) 01:51, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
Delete. As per above. Connormah (talk | contribs) 01:55, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: delete, said not to meet all of WP:NFCC. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:05, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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  • The only seeming significance of this image is that the woman is wearing a headscarf. ...Faye Turney, and that she was seen wearing a head scarf adequately conveys this information. So the image fails NFCC.8 ÷seresin 17:57, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: keep. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:08, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

File:Deleuze.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs) – uploaded by Bartleby (notify | contribs | uploads).
  • Right, the only difference between a non-free image of Bonds and another of the late Deleuze would be the possibility of free replacement, but this is pointless here. Dead or alive, a still from a tv interview can't be uploaded to illustrate an article about the interviewee. The fair use of this material is for critical commentary of the program itself.--Jimbo W junior (talk) 01:54, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
  • We generally allow FU images of deceased persons when it is highly unlikely that a free image can be found. I know little of the subject, so I cannot say whether it is likely or not. I think, though, that it is acceptable FU. Though when we're going to use a FU image, we may as well use the best one we can find rather than one like this. ÷seresin 17:59, 10 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Try a search on Google images. You would find a number of non-free, good quality images of Deleuze which qualify for fair use per WP policies. This screenshot, without critical commentary, fails NFCC#2.--Jimbo W junior (talk) 14:37, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Because WP criterion 6 for acceptable use of images (use of images from a news agency for critical commentary only of the image itself) is intended for protection of commercial opportunities of the copyright holders, as established on NFCC#2.--Jimbo W junior (talk) 17:18, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
  • That doesn't apply. The NFCC.2 criterion was put into place to protect organizations which derive profit from use of their images, such as the AP. This is a still from an interview: we are not replacing the original market role of the image, nor is our use limiting their ability to profit from the image. ÷seresin 17:59, 11 April 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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  • Content and structure of song not discussed in article. Adds nothing to understanding. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 03:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: delete. May meet all of WP:NFCC at some future date but doesn't now, apparently. Angus McLellan (Talk) 20:10, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

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  • Content and structure of song not discussed in article. Adds nothing to understanding. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 03:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Comment While the other two can probably go, I would say this is a relatively valuable sound sample. Whiskey Lullaby was a hugely famous, hugely successful single of Krauss', letting you touch on both a generally successful song and her work with other artists. The article is obviously no longer up to snuff, but any Krauss article will and does discuss Whiskey Lullaby. Staxringold talk 03:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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  • Content and structure of song not discussed in article. Adds nothing to understanding. Ten Pound Hammer, his otters and a clue-bat • 03:24, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 20:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by J Milburn (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 20:52, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by PhilKnight (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 14:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete; deleted by Explicit (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT 20:11, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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  • Unwarranted non-free image. Yes, the report is important, but the front cover is not, and we are losing nothing in not seeing the front cover. Also far too large. J Milburn (talk) 12:58, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Keep. This is the front cover of a recent study into policing in the UK. The report was written by the government, specifically by Her Majesty's Inspectorate of Constabulary, in response to the death of Ian Tomlinson, a passer-by who died in 2009 after contact with the police during a political demonstration in London. The government and police would certainly have no problem with our use of the image—quite the reverse because the report is something they want to publicize.

    I felt it was important to add this image to the article about Tomlinson's death, which is a featured article, because the article is otherwise very critical of the police, reflecting the sources. Therefore, in the interests of trying to make sure the police view was incorporated and noticed, I added an image of the report's front cover, which not only suggests different ways to police political protests in future, but has been hailed as a blueprint for police reform in general in the UK. That makes it an important document. It seems to me that those reasons are good enough to claim fair use. We have always been able to use the cover of a book under our fair-use guideline, and this image is used to illustrate a specific section about the report. SlimVirgin 17:44, 31 March 2010 (UTC)

    • Yes, I agree that the report is important, and warrants discussion in the article. However, that does not mean its cover is required. The cover would be useful in an article on the report itself, as you suggest. However, as a paralell, unless there is something significant about the cover itself, we do not use book covers in the articles on the authors, despite the fact the books will often receive a lot of discussion. It's a question of what the cover itself adds, not a question of how important the publication is to the article. J Milburn (talk) 18:20, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • In the five years I've been editing it has always been acceptable to use a book cover in an article about a book, or in a section devoted to it in another article if it has no article of its own, so long as the section isn't frivolous, perfunctory, or unnecessary, and so long as we have no reason to believe the publisher would mind. So unless consensus about that has recently changed, I see this use as within the fair use rules, particularly given the copyright holder is government and not a private company. The problem with that article is that the sources are uniformly negative about the police (with the exception of a few voices that were quickly drowned out of the debate), so I felt strongly that I had to bend over backwards to accommodate a positive police view in the interests of NPOV. My thought when I uploaded that image was that it would act as a signpost saying, "Positive view of the police here!" to make clear that the police had responded to the criticism. That's its function in that article. It's a working image, not a purely decorative one. :) SlimVirgin 19:16, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • There is no "automatic" allowance for a section on a book to have a non-free image of the book's cover, and there has never been in the four years I've been here. For instance, we have a nice long section on the Harry Potter books in the featured article on the author, and there is certainly no need for us to go and force in images of the covers. Concerns about NPOV have no affect on our NFCC- the need for an image is judged on its own merits. J Milburn (talk) 19:50, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Harry Potter images have commercial value. This has none. It was published by the government for public dissemination, and they want people to read and see it. From our perspective it helps with NPOV. It helps with information. It helps to show how seriously the police took the criticism. There really is no issue here. SlimVirgin 21:19, 31 March 2010 (UTC)
  • Regardless of what you feel the motives of the copyright holder are, the image is non-free, and so must meet our non-free content criteria- just as with the Harry Potter covers. Discussion of the report helps with those things, yes, but this picture does not aid in any way that the discussion does not- as such, it clearly fails NFCC#8, so there very much is an issue. J Milburn (talk) 00:48, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
  • Just about any book cover would fail give your definition of #8, JM, but that clearly doesn't have consensus, given the number of books cover that are used routinely. In my view, this image draws attention to and increases our readers' understanding of the nature of the Metropolitan police and British government response to Ian Tomlinson's death. It enhances our article's neutrality. It has no monetary value, we have no reason to believe the copyright holder would object, there is no free equivalent, it is being used in a section of an article (see here) that is about the report, and the copyright holder has made the image and the report widely and freely available. That combination meets the criteria in my view. SlimVirgin 18:25, 1 April 2010 (UTC)
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