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318:, I prioritize these articles because they have this little green blob that Knowledge have decided means the article meets a certain set of criteria, and thus I think (perhaps wrongly) that they should meet said criteria. If you are not willing to devote time and effort to making the articles meet the criteria, because you feel they should not be prioritized, simply let it be delisted. If you feel you don't currently have the time to "jump through made up hoops"—perfectly fair, you have done so 115 times already at 251:
a currently mediocre article and work to get it to higher quality. The way you're doing this now is inducing a bunch of experienced and careful editors to spend a bunch of work on frankly marginal activities that are a relative waste of time; you and they would be doing more good for the Knowledge project if they picked something (just about anything) else to work on. As another example, it looks like this kind of thing went a substantial distance toward exhausting
762:; for myself, I will continue to work at GAR until the community decides to deprecate the process. It is not all I do on Knowledge—see today's featured article on the main page—but I find this to be worthwhile in itself. You are welcome to decide whether you have better things to do than provide trivial citations in the future. Thank you also for your cordiality in your responses. 337:
those articles yourself first. It comes across as selfish and thoughtless. And the net effect has already been to drive authors away from the GAR process, as they were previously driven away from the FAR process, because rather than being something that one can do and move on, it turns into a never-ending time sink of pointless re-reviews. —
460:. I have seen your conversation about the improvement of the article on the talk page. Since the main author is busy in real life, I think I can take over temporarily by adding some sources and copyedits to this article. However, some comments may require some clarification from the main author directly. 336:
You are entirely welcome to devote your own time to improving GA articles to meet your standards of what GA articles should be. However, what I see you doing instead is making work for other people by nominating article after article for review, without any evidence of putting effort into cleaning up
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This article is objectively "good" compared to the typical for Knowledge articles. Instead of adding a bunch of perfunctory footnotes to arbitrarily chosen introductory textbooks that any curious reader can find for themself with about 1 minute of effort, it would be much more useful for you to find
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The problem is not what you are doing with your free time. The problem is that you are imposing unreasonable demands on other editors, asking them to devote a considerable amount of their own time and effort to cleaning up articles that should not be prioritized. If it is so important to you that
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For the other tags, I did supply references. Let me, however, state quite clearly that this kind of citation needed request is hardly a service to anyone on Knowledge: it was in these cases a trivial matter to find the required assertion in the subarticles, or to pull up various sources at once.
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Correct me if I'm wrong. The GACR2b has been modified, stating that the article has no original research but rather covered with the verifiability in the reliable sources and citation inlines, with the exception that plot summary or explanation do not need to be sourced. However, some of the
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Yes they are closely related. The point is that the process of taking a function f and associating to it its derivative (or second derivative etc.) is linear as well, which is why the solution spaces of homogeneous differential equations are vector
282:, and stepped away from the site for a few months. I suspect it was more the peculiarities that discussion, rather than the process as a whole, which caused the casualties. I think we can agree in hoping that sort of thing won't happen again. 721:
I have removed to citation needed tags: in one case I decided to delete the paragraph containing it, because it was out of place there, in the other case (about addition of complex numbers) it was falling under
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I can provide sources for whatever specifically needs citations, but I don't currently see things where I would want to have an additional source. If you want, add a citation needed tag and I'll take care.
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has signalled their intention to work on the article on my talk page. As usual, this reassessment should be left open as long as they intend to work on it, up to a maximum of around three months.
703:, thanks very much for your work on the article so far. I have tagged a few places where inline citations would be helpful; please let me know if you think any of them fall under 683: 271:, but the consensus of the Knowledge community is that it is a useful activity. If you feel that is not the consensus, you are free to propose deprecating the GA process at 279: 730:
Notice how the references are often to the very first pages of some book, highlighting how strongly these assertions fall under the rubric "not-challengeable".
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and maybe others). The article currently has, IMO, a fair amount of citations overall, and it would be pointless to just add 20 more on generic grounds.
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Do we have to write the homogeneous differential solutions in a "linear equation" section? It seems more difficult to comprehend, and are those related?
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I'll do the work in the section on "Related topics and properties". It has some awkward list that can still be improved. Such works are in my sandbox.
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paragraphs are not plot summaries, or somewhat backgrounds to describe the highly technical topics. Should I added the citation-tag in this case?
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Thanks for telling me what I like to do with my free time. As it happens, I quite like doing this. I apologise if you find that objectionable
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why don't you try to add some sources instead of spending all of your time demanding that other people jump through made up hoops. –
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these articles get cleaned up, then put some skin into the game. Put a few hours or weeks into sourcing each article yourself,
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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Some see-below links are tagged with clarity. I cannot find where the see-below links are redirected to.
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you think citations are needed. (I didn't check how many / which ones have been added very recently by
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I have removed these, they didn't really add any value (even if they would have worked).
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has been modified so that all content that could be challenged and doesn't fall under
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This 2008 listing contains significant amounts of uncited material, far beyond what
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instances of claims / statements you think require additional sources. What is the
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Incidentally, XOR was not the only one impacted by that GAR; its proposer was also
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I think the discussion there takes so little space that this seems OK to me.
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On the worth of the GAR process and participating in it
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lists merely? I do think these should be removed, IMO
744:: I suggest we all spend our time on better things. 228:. You have spoken on the worth of the GA process ( 393:Done. But need more sources and some copyedits. 160:nominated and reviewed the GA for the first time 678:so I reiterate my request to please name a few 192:This is all easily verifiable basic material. @ 8: 684:content that could reasonably be challenged 176:FYI I notified both on their talk already. 209: 530:Are the types of vectors in the section 212: 7: 35:The following discussion is closed. 637:needs to be cited inline. 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