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715:'s part is an honorable approach for sure; however, its essential and fatal flaw is that it does not pay tribute to reality. Besides, if we don't delete this page now, it will wind up at MfD again very soon anyway. I suppose nothing speaks against having a personal screambox in userspace though. And if someone wants to MfD it from there, you just tell them to "piss the fuck off and die" and they will certainly understand and comply. On a related note, I'd like to explain that the primary reason I came up with the screambox is that cursewords are not well-liked in usual discussions in main talk and wikispace. This is the paradox of this MfD: If everybody on Knowledge would just relax and focus on 316:. First, the "history" of the page has not been restored, and shouldn't be. Transhumanist simply re-created. Yes, it was kept in the previous MfD. After MfD1 passed, the page was abruptly misused. Dorftrottel,(the page's originator), and I (co-writer) discussed it, and decided as co-creators to 642:
Unfortunately, so to speak, the prior page history isn't available for non-admins to prove the misuse that occured and which was the reason we wanted to get rid of it. As to the first MfD, the nom rationale there was "Content not suitable for an encyclopedia", and we were naive enough at the time to
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Well, the current "content" seems to be headed in the exact same direction, so the reason we decided to dump it still holds true. What's worse, without the insightful philosophical ruminations and usage guidelines Keeper and me put in the original incarnation, the likeliness of future misuse is even
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and not worth the humor. We chalked it up to "fun while it lasted". This page should be deleted, and the title salted. There are lots and lots of good humor pages. I love the humor of this place. This missed the mark and needs to go away. IF, for whatever reason, Screambox actually stays, it
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Seems rather prudish to me. You're being too coddling. It's like you are trying to protect us from each other, putting up baby fences. Good grief. It's easy enough to simply revert personal attacks. Anyone accessing the page could easily delete them, and instructions to that effect could be
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and not personal attacks. IIRC, there was e.g. a comment directed against the ArbCom, which is clearly unacceptable. So as long as the page exists, it will require close monitoring. Keeper and me realised this and thus decided it wasn't worth it after all.
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Believe me when I say that I do understand your approach to this: It's pretty much identical to what I thought when I first created the page. It's just, like Keeper says, the context and concept is neither particularly useful nor all that funny,
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The context and the concept are what I am advocating for deletion. The content was technically db-authored, true. Because the concept was flawed, the content was flawed. The original content had explicit instructions about
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purpose. The G7 by the original creators was highly questionable as there were more editors than just the two of them. Although none of the arguments here directly cite relevant policy, all of the arguments here relate to
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I agree that the instructions would need to be restored -- perhaps with a caveat warning editors that any explicit or implicit references to any other editor, article, or situation will be swiftly met with a block.
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Missed whatever caused it to be deleted last time (didn't realize the original creators had requested it). I will assume that whatever it was . . .it was not helpful. Sad that it had to go, but there you go.
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included on the page. No big deal. Rather than pick out the bad apples to prevent them from spoiling the bunch, you'd rather stop filling bushels of apples altogether. Not a very good approach. Results in
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had the most persuasive policy argument, except that under that rationale it can't be anywhere as things in userspace should still have something to do with improving the encyclopedia. Go have a beer
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common sense and actual experience tell us that there are people who are not capable of grasping the true spirit of things like the screambox and who would most certainly not even understand that
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needs a selective undeletion, namely to get the instructions back that are sorely missing (and were well written), and explain what the intent of the page was. In it's current state, this page
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That's basically (in a nutshell even!) what the instructions said. However, they should not be restored. Nothing should be restored. The whole thing was deleted by the
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Perhaps my mention of Knowledge is not MySpace as a deletion reason was not the best reason ever (it even resolved in what I consider to be a personal attack by
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that I would see this and be outraged... Consider this your last warning! No fooling! Ignore the date. ... Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrgh! --
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As the original co-creator of this previously co-creator-consensus-deleted page, I'd just like to comment that the nomination rationale is
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To make this clear, the idea was funny for a while, but imo the page should've remained deleted and should be deleted again. It
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
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Heh. Forgot about the archive. Deleted it as Speedy G8, talkpage of nonexistent page. Sorry 'bout that.
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Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the page's talk page or in a
767:. last time I voted keep if WP:NPA is followed. But since it can't be monitored then w should delete it. -- 442: 136: 420: 364: 181: 111: 29:
The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the miscellaneous page below.
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edits to the userpage which were highly inappropriate both in their substance and in their
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are the ones being addressed by a potential top notice saying something to the effect of
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Knowledge and with no collaborative intent. So I guess the argument of
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Shoot! That archive still exists?! Keeper must have overlooked it.
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The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate.
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wouldn't need anything like the screambox, and at the same time
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we could actually host it in wikispace without fear of misuse.
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already been misused, and that's highly likely to repeat.
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the reason the page was or should be deleted. There were
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assume that people would actually use the page only for
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per Dorftrottel's sound reasoning above. Sincerely, --
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180:This deletion argument doesn't even make sense. — 881:to userspace. It has nothing to do with Knowledge. 39:). No further edits should be made to this page. 52:but because they violate policy and one user made 916:). No further edits should be made to this page. 8: 552:on me, obviously cast only to harass me, 458:The original authors asked to delete the 548:and I consider every keep vote above a 155:— Don't take everything so seriously. 220:per the original creators' judgment. 7: 363:; general screaming would not. — 24: 18:Knowledge:Miscellany for deletion 97:page is no longer an option per 85:, or if you must blow off steam 1: 783:Knowledge:Screambox/Archive 1 44:The result of the debate was 607:Le Grand Roi des Citrouilles 213:) 04:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 933: 322:headache waiting to happen 271:See also the first MfD at 91:User:Lupin/Recent IP edits 899:22:45, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 874:22:12, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 843:14:46, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 792:04:52, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 774:03:22, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 690:01:23, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 634:00:42, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 612:00:02, 2 April 2008 (UTC) 566:21:14, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 512:20:22, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 477:20:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 453:19:40, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 409:16:00, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 380:15:32, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 350:15:23, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 242:other, more valid reasons 230:17:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 197:03:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 173:03:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 147:02:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC) 106:08:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC) 909:Please do not modify it. 32:Please do not modify it. 359:would be violations of 314:Notes to closing admin 572:Good illustration. 112:Knowledge:Screambox 71:User:Basketball110 897: 852:Move to userspace 839: 686:The Transhumanist 630:The Transhumanist 508: 405: 346: 117:Knowledge is not 924: 911: 896: 894: 882: 872: 869: 863: 840: 837: 832: 826: 771: 610: 608: 509: 506: 501: 495: 473: 470: 460:original content 450: 448: 445: 440: 437: 434: 406: 403: 398: 392: 377: 372: 367: 347: 344: 339: 333: 194: 189: 184: 169: 166: 157:Why do you care? 144: 142: 139: 134: 131: 128: 50:will get misused 34: 932: 931: 927: 926: 925: 923: 922: 921: 920: 914:deletion review 907: 892: 883: 871: 867: 861: 855: 836: 830: 824: 769: 606: 604: 550:personal attack 505: 499: 493: 489:eternal dustpin 471: 468: 446: 443: 438: 435: 432: 429: 402: 396: 390: 375: 370: 365: 343: 337: 331: 320:the thing as a 192: 187: 182: 167: 164: 140: 137: 132: 129: 126: 123: 115: 37:deletion review 30: 22: 21: 20: 12: 11: 5: 930: 928: 919: 918: 902: 901: 876: 859: 857:GW_Simulations 849: 848: 847: 846: 845: 776: 761: 760: 759: 758: 757: 756: 755: 754: 693: 692: 673: 672: 645:proper cursing 637: 636: 614: 597: 596: 569: 568: 542: 541: 514: 456: 455: 421:MusicMaker5376 416: 415: 414: 413: 412: 411: 329:get misused. 311: 281: 280: 279: 233: 232: 199: 175: 114: 109: 81:, go have sex 42: 41: 25: 23: 15: 14: 13: 10: 9: 6: 4: 3: 2: 929: 917: 915: 910: 904: 903: 900: 895: 890: 889: 888: 887:Basketball110 880: 877: 875: 870: 864: 858: 853: 850: 844: 841: 833: 827: 821: 820: 818: 814: 810: 808: 804: 800: 795: 794: 793: 790: 789: 784: 780: 777: 775: 772: 766: 763: 762: 752: 748: 744: 742: 738: 734: 729: 725: 721: 718: 714: 710: 706: 702: 697: 696: 695: 694: 691: 688: 687: 682: 677: 676: 675: 674: 670: 666: 662: 660: 656: 652: 646: 641: 640: 639: 638: 635: 632: 631: 626: 622: 618: 615: 613: 609: 602: 599: 598: 594: 590: 586: 584: 580: 576: 571: 570: 567: 563: 559: 555: 551: 547: 544: 543: 539: 535: 531: 529: 525: 521: 515: 513: 510: 502: 496: 490: 486: 481: 480: 479: 478: 474: 465: 461: 454: 451: 449: 441: 426: 422: 418: 417: 410: 407: 399: 393: 387: 383: 382: 381: 378: 373: 368: 362: 358: 353: 352: 351: 348: 340: 334: 328: 323: 319: 315: 312: 309: 305: 301: 299: 295: 291: 286: 282: 278: 276: 275: 269: 268: 266: 262: 258: 256: 252: 248: 243: 239: 235: 234: 231: 227: 223: 219: 214: 212: 208: 204: 200: 198: 195: 190: 185: 179: 176: 174: 170: 161: 158: 154: 151: 150: 149: 148: 145: 143: 135: 120: 113: 110: 108: 107: 104: 100: 99:WP:NOT#STUPID 96: 92: 88: 84: 80: 76: 72: 68: 64: 59: 55: 51: 47: 40: 38: 33: 27: 26: 19: 908: 905: 886: 885: 878: 856: 851: 806: 802: 798: 788:Black Falcon 786: 778: 764: 740: 736: 732: 727: 723: 716: 712: 708: 704: 700: 685: 680: 658: 654: 650: 644: 629: 624: 616: 600: 582: 578: 574: 545: 527: 523: 519: 467: 459: 457: 428: 424: 385: 356: 326: 313: 297: 293: 289: 284: 272: 270: 254: 250: 246: 237: 217: 202: 201: 177: 163: 152: 122: 116: 94: 86: 66: 49: 45: 43: 31: 28: 838:Disclaimer 815:) 10:05, 749:) 12:56, 720:doing harm 667:) 00:58, 591:) 21:24, 536:) 20:27, 507:Disclaimer 464:Kurt Weber 404:Disclaimer 345:Disclaimer 306:) 15:02, 263:) 11:46, 160:Kurt Weber 87:on project 77:, Go yell 862:User Page 713:everybody 683:apples. 665:criticise 517:greater. 318:db-author 261:vandalise 67:improving 770:Lenticel 589:complain 491:, IMO. 430:Cheers, 222:R. 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Index

Knowledge:Miscellany for deletion
deletion review
WP:POINT
Pointy
WP:NOT
User:Basketball110
IRL
IRL
IRL
User:Lupin/Recent IP edits
WP:NOT#STUPID
Doug.
08:24, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
Knowledge:Screambox
MySpace
Glacier
Wolf
02:12, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Why do you care?
Kurt Weber
03:41, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
Music
Maker
5376
03:55, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
R. Baley
talk
R. Baley
talk
17:03, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

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