715:'s part is an honorable approach for sure; however, its essential and fatal flaw is that it does not pay tribute to reality. Besides, if we don't delete this page now, it will wind up at MfD again very soon anyway. I suppose nothing speaks against having a personal screambox in userspace though. And if someone wants to MfD it from there, you just tell them to "piss the fuck off and die" and they will certainly understand and comply. On a related note, I'd like to explain that the primary reason I came up with the screambox is that cursewords are not well-liked in usual discussions in main talk and wikispace. This is the paradox of this MfD: If everybody on Knowledge would just relax and focus on
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Well, the current "content" seems to be headed in the exact same direction, so the reason we decided to dump it still holds true. What's worse, without the insightful philosophical ruminations and usage guidelines Keeper and me put in the original incarnation, the likeliness of future misuse is even
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and not worth the humor. We chalked it up to "fun while it lasted". This page should be deleted, and the title salted. There are lots and lots of good humor pages. I love the humor of this place. This missed the mark and needs to go away. IF, for whatever reason, Screambox actually stays, it
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Seems rather prudish to me. You're being too coddling. It's like you are trying to protect us from each other, putting up baby fences. Good grief. It's easy enough to simply revert personal attacks. Anyone accessing the page could easily delete them, and instructions to that effect could be
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and not personal attacks. IIRC, there was e.g. a comment directed against the ArbCom, which is clearly unacceptable. So as long as the page exists, it will require close monitoring. Keeper and me realised this and thus decided it wasn't worth it after all.
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Believe me when I say that I do understand your approach to this: It's pretty much identical to what I thought when I first created the page. It's just, like Keeper says, the context and concept is neither particularly useful nor all that funny,
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included on the page. No big deal. Rather than pick out the bad apples to prevent them from spoiling the bunch, you'd rather stop filling bushels of apples altogether. Not a very good approach. Results in
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had the most persuasive policy argument, except that under that rationale it can't be anywhere as things in userspace should still have something to do with improving the encyclopedia. Go have a beer
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