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unbecoming, but the issue is no longer "ripe", especially given how long this MR has been going on. But then you had the additional gall to a) promise
Nyttend to come back him up (WTF does that have to do with WP consensus processes, based on an analysis of source and policy arguments? Nothing; it's you forming a tagteam), and then b) deliver in spades, by whipping up a bloc vote of people everyone knows are going to be very close to 100% in favor of going by the titlecard in the movie regardless of all other sources, P&G, and other considerations. And you call it neutral? Let's actually look at it. There is nothing even faintly neutral about this:
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don't know. It is a name of a film, and not a film which is made by a real person named
Steamboat Bill or Steamboat Bill Jr., so the Hank Williams Jr. example has nothing to do with this. As I said on another page, the comma thing was over as far as I was concerned, but at that point I don't think anyone expected an escalation to fictional film titles. A bridge too far for many editors, so my objecting that this wasn't a non-controversial move turned out to be correct. So please let's not get too personal this time.
1055:. The short version is that even the film's own marketing materials do not consistently include the comma. The argument that the comma is "officially" part of the title is simply false. It's included sometimes, dropped other times, both by RS and by the very producers/distributors of the work. The general MOS (and COMMONNAME) point, about all stylistic variations, is: Do what the guidelines say, not what the marketing of the subject does, unless RS
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about the matter, which has seemingly gone from irked to enraged, enough to make blanket threats against anyone using normal processes, threats that wouldn't be appropriate no matter what the topic was or who was making it. I'm not sure I've ever seen a more obvious case of INVOLVED in an admin close at RM before, frankly. What could possibly go beyond that sufficiency of substantiation? Did he need to write a "Down with MOS:JR" editorial in the
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as if your opinions are necessarily and unequivocally fact, and denigrated calm and logical posts as "wikilawyering." Despite your insistence otherwise, the length and vociferousness of your post suggest you do indeed seem to very much give a you-know-what — and I still have enormous difficulty understanding why anyone, knowing a film's inarguable actual title, onscreen and as copyrighted, and still wanting to falsify it because of a guideline for
1406:, however supporters observed that JR is a guideline applicable to biographies and that its application to the titles of works of fiction is at best inconsistent, thus our article title ought to reflect the work's legally registered name and common use in reliable sources. While Nyttend's closing statement may have been unduly harsh, that is not a reason to overturn a close that was well within admin discretion.
1193:, which was well within admin discretion. The insinuation that it must be a supervote because Nyttend is "not even a normal closer" (when he was merely responding to an AN request) is, at the very least, not proven. If I had been the one to respond to the AN request, I would have closed the discussion the same way (though almost certainly without the final sentence of the closing statement).
1566:"sanctions") if the person's demands are not met. What exactly is it that you "do not see"? It is more visible now? Is it perhaps clearer now that various other parties who were not in the RM and who even agree with the first part of the close also find that the threat was inappropriate and some want it struck or moved into the body of the RM as a comment and not part of the close?
905:; it's pretty clear he was applying his anti-MOS bias in this close. He's not even a normal closer, and as the discussion page history shows, he didn't even know how to close it correctly, and just hatted the discussion instead. This is not the behavior of an admin trying to help by neutrally doing what he knows how to do, but rather the behavior of an involved admin pulling a
1730:- If "relist" means start over with a new RM, I don't see any benefit to that, as any problems with quality of arguments would simply occur again in the new RM. I do feel that anyone with strong feelings on the topic should have the sense to let someone else handle it. And the close statement should reflect the closer's disinterested detachment from the question at hand. ―
1817:("t should be clear that the proper title has a comma.") Boldface emphasis added: "I saw your comment endorsing the close of the move request, and I thought you'd want to know that a couple of editors who did not get the result they wanted started an appeal. You may wish to place your comment at the bottom of Knowledge:Move_review#Steamboat Bill, Jr. with your choice
670:, whose proposal was not supported, are the only ones calling my neutral notice canvassing. That obviously makes the claim suspect when everyone else here agrees it is not canvassing. I posted the notice word-for-word above at 6:55, 30 December 2016 asked if there were anything not strictly factual. I even boldfaced here the words "either to endorse the admin's close
1544:(at least 11 to 5) supporting the comma, and those !votes were based on clear rationales for film articles. The close also noted why the omission of commas on biography articles did not apply there. Persons who opposed the clear consensus seem to be equating the wording or perceived tone of the close with threats or with being involved, which I myself do not see.
716:, a barely distinguishable case of inviting with "neutral" wording a non-neutral editorial pool to come vote stack. And his post's wording actually was fairly neutral; your was anything but. I don't see many people there saying it wasn't canvassing, and I think the same would be the view with regard to your "neutral" notice. Frankly, I
686:. Why? Because a film title is not a biography. Nor is the name of a magazine, or of a plant, or of a couch or of a planet. None of those things are biographies. A biography is a nonfiction account of a person's life. Is a film title that, or a plant name or those other things? No. Acting as if one doesn't know the difference between a
2519:(Disclosure: I requested the move in the first place.) I might be misunderstanding the process here. At the time of closing there was no opposition to the requested move. To the point, actually, where I as the requester of the move was gently told that I should have done it myself, without opening a discussion. Closer
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1293:- This is where it comes to? *sigh* After soul-searching, I realize that maybe I don't care about punctuations anymore. I care about stability, yet the fighting over punctuations... I'm out of decent words for this. "Endorse", enough, and move on.... though threatening someone with DS is... questionable.
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Respectfully disagree. "Justice must be seen to be done" seems a bit of an overstatement given there's no dispute as to the actual onscreen and copyrighted title. But also to this point, if a neutral observer like this above editor sees the decision as reflect ing the consensus, then it appears as if
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not "sufficiently substantiated" in what way? The closer of the RM was singled out in the close of the earlier RFC as singularly representative of the opposition to MOS:JR, and his comments in that RfC directly mirror his RM close (which is about his opinion, not the sources), as does his evident ire
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An extraordinary ideological battleline? A composition title based on a fictional character, it stretches guidelines and precedents are unclear. I see a reasonable call of rough consensus to move, but "no consensus" would have been easily defended. The close should not be read as precedent setting.
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All I can do is repeat my post of 19:06, 31 December 2016, since your diatribe above did not refute any of my statements with any actual evidence or diffs, and instead reiterated your old opinions, which are decidedly in the minority, and made wild claims and accusations, threw out contentious labels
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This review has nothing to do with "the film's actual onscreen title"; it's about the fact that an involved admin made an outrageous close. By phrasing it as if the Film project is under some kind of attack from the MOS, you seem to be bring people who want to defend the move, rather than people who
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in favor of using the film's actual onscreen title with comma, despite a couple of WP:BIO editors believing WP:BIO guidelines for people supersede WP:FILM guidelines for film titles. Now those WP:BIO editors are trying to overturn the admin's decision. You may wish to comment — either to endorse the
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A biased close is a close by an editor who has at several places previously expressed a strong opinion on one side of the issue that is being discussed. An involved admin (or other editor) should recuse himself as a closer of a controversial discussion. This one was very controversial (with almost
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has to do with "the film's actual onscreen title", as opposed to one that is not the actual onscreen title. There is not one statement of opinion in my post. Every statement is factual, unless you'd like to take exception to the colloquial phrase "a couple of" by insisting it means literally two. If
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That is right, in principle, but in this case I the position is over-exacting on the qualifications required by
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canvassing. It was the furthest thing from a neutral notice, being a complete distortion of the nature of the discussion, and an exhortation to come defend an admin and WP:FILM against alleged encroachment by WP:BIO . Neither of those wikiprojects have anything to do with anything under discussion
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The instructions suggested I fill in a "reason why the page move should be reviewed". I didn't see any suggestion to keep it neutral, and I don't think such reasons ever are, since move review discussions are usually only opened when someone is outraged by a close. But thanks for following up with
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Dicklyon violates the canvassing rules by referring to Nytend's action as "an outrageous anti-MOS move close by an involved admin" adding the "closing statement and the fact that it's from an admin who had already taken a strong stand against the relevant guideline should not be allowed to stand."
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I have to wonder if you're being disingenuous or whether you've convinced yourself of what you're saying. You're calling it a biased because it went against you, even though it went against you for logical, well-articulated reasons that the majority of editors espoused. A biased close would be one
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The name of such a well-known film does not refer to a living person, it is the real as well as common name of a film. Nothing to do with MOS:JR. It is not a complicated name or stylization either, just 'Steamboat Bill, Jr.', which easily is an understandable page name. How to say this clearer, I
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close, except for some of the rant part. The close was obvious, as the name of a fictional film about a fictional person with a fictional nickname, the way the film was promotionally and legally stylized contains a comma which is part of the films name. Taking WP:COMMONSENSE into account, I don't
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and therefore at a point in time not applicable to the pre-independence South West Africa. These assignments of countries or areas to specific groupings was for statistical convenience and it is unlikely that the intent was for it to result in changes in the names of already defunct countries or
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Looking through the original RM, it seems to me that the closer's decision did reflect the consensus; at least I would have closed it in the same way based on the discussion. However, that isn't, or shouldn't be, the issue here. Justice must not only be done, it must be seen to be done, and that
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also use the style that varies from the guidleines. It simply is not the case here. WP is not "changing" a title to comply with MoS, we're using the known and well attested version of it, among multiple common versions, that complies with MoS. This is normal and is basic common sense. It's why
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article. There is no argument as to the actual title of the film. So editors objecting to the close are arguing in favor of knowingly and deliberately falsifying a movie title in order to slavishly adhere to a single project's style guideline for names in WP:BIO and not movie titles at WP:FILM.
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behavior. It's beyond the damned pale that a vociferous anti-MOS:JR admin came anywhere near closing an RM discussion about that (populated mostly by the same people in the RfC, I might add) and then had the gall to issue threats. I kind of wish that had just gone straight to ArbCom as conduct
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How exactly is "Let this be a firm warning: is disruptive and will result in sanctions if repeated" not to be perceived as a threat? I mean, we are clear on what the word "threat" means in the context, right? A menacing (i.e. "warning") promise (i.e. "threat") to do something punitive (i.e.
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This has no bearing on anything. As you well know, your attempts to limit MOS:JR strictly to bios, which was never intended (and is not in the guideline nor in the RfC results), have been rejected at RM after RM. It would be a completely nonsensical and reader- and editor-confusing result for
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supposed to close it. A neutral admin may agree to close it as MOVE, or may conclude NO CONSENSUS, but in any case we deserve an unbiased look and neutral analysis of the arguments. Also, this is not a place to repeat arguments such as "the way the film was promotionally and legally stylized
516:. I apologize for the boldface, but I don't know how I can make any clearer that a biography is a nonfiction of account of an actual person's life. Whereas a film title is not. Nor is the name of a magazine, or of a plant, or of a couch or of a planet. None of those things are biographies. --
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are that those titles; in the latter three cases, alternative presentations of those names (e.g. "Ipod", "Deamaus", and just "Hague") are virtually unknown in RS, while many RS refer to the first two as "Pink" and "Client" and the artists' own materials are not consistent on the matter, a
2272:, and will probably surface again. Rather than starting a war with yet another RM, a move review will hopefully get the issue settled once and for all and put an end to the back-and-forth renaming that occurred over the past decade. The intention to request a move review was
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I'm not sure what's unbelievable about someone voluntarily, and without input from me, posting his opinion on the wrong page and being pointed to the correct page. But for complete transparency, see my comment where I already addressed this, below at 18:52, 2 January 2017.
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1778:'s comments placed within the closed request, rather than as a closing reason. I don't think I can say "overturn and reclose with the same result", and "overturn and reclose" risks having a clearly incorrect title, which could theoretically put Knowledge at legal risk.
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per Randy Kryn, Tenebrae, Lugnuts, etc. A guideline for biographies should not be applied to titles of works of fiction. WP should be accurate to what a title actually is. Those that believe otherwise seem intent on drawing this out endlessly. The close was necessary. -
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what title this article ends up at (I gave my reasoning, and it either is sufficient or it's not; I've previously supported keeping a similar title with the comma, because it consistently appears that way unlike this case). What I do care about it this obvious anti-MoS
76:– I see a rough consensus that the ultimate decision to move is consistent with the state of the RM discussion at the time it was closed, but that the closing statement was unfortunately worded at best. In light of the strongly worded concerns about the closing admin's
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different rules to apply to "Jr./Sr." names depending on whether the person was fictional or not. Such an idea has been rejected in other ways for year (including spacing of initials, capitalization, etc.), across article titles, article text, and category names.
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The title was factually incorrect for many years. There are probably a hundred thousand movies here, and just because it takes a while to get to all of them is no reason to knowingly and deliberately falsify this film's onscreen, copyrighted and well-known
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a neutral statement as required here. Aside from the ironically inflammatory language of "biased and inflammatory rant", it is only that editor's opinion that those who disagree with him are not following the guidelines of the MOS. At issue is the MOS
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Did he have a right to close it after having an opinion about another topic, that of removing commas from the names of things, memorials, or record albums named for real people? Steamboat Bill or
Steamboat Bill, Jr. did not have an earthly existence.
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can look at the issue of
Nyttend being involved and therefore ineligible to do the close. Furthermore, this nothing nothing to do with WP:BIO editors, whatever those are; if there's such a project, did you notifiy it? Did you notify at
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as many editors opposing as supporting), and the admin who closed it had no business doing so. A neutral admin might still close it with a move, but presumably if so would not threaten the opposers the way this one did.
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was unaware of significant additional information not discussed in the RM and the RM should be reopened and relisted. The additional information is shown and linked to below and is also applicable to the related MR for
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was never discussed in the discussion being reviewed. That means it would not have been a viable option for this particular request. There may be a case to move this to the proposed title but a separate move request is
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The present page name makes South West Africa the only country in the world to have consistently issued postage stamps on which its own name was inscribed incorrectly. Since official postage stamps were discounted as
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means the closer must both be and be seen to be neutral. Although
Nyttend did not participate in the RM, previously expressed views make Nyttend's non-neutrality clear, and it was unwise to be the closer.
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was unaware of significant additional information not discussed in the RM and the RM should be reopened and relisted. The additional information is shown and linked to in the related preceding MR for
1770:. There were no credible guideline-based arguments presented for the name without the comma, and there were credible guideline-based arguments presented for the name with the comma. Agree with
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International Court of
Justice - Case Summaries - Voting Procedure On Questions Relating To Reports And Petitions Concerning The Territory Of South-West Africa - Advisory Opinion of 7 June 1955
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Supervote in the decision, or the additional comment, or both? I am not persuaded of supervote in the decision. Neither do I find the WP:INVOLVED allegation is sufficiently substantiated. --
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This discussion is not about the comma or the move. It's about the close. It was inappropriate for an involved admin to close it, and then to provide such a biased and provocative analysis.
712:. That amounts to "You think it's canvassing but my buddies who I canvassed are backing me and saying its not canvassing", a.k.a. a wolf pack and a sheep deciding what's for dinner. See
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act on this point is getting really, really tiresome. It's been going on for over two years now. Give it a rest. You trot out some comment like "a recognized masterpiece" or some other
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How about: "An admin close at WikiProject Film ruled against applying a WikiProject
Biography style guideline for people's names. Some editors wish for this close to be reconsidered."--
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International Law - South West Africa, Ethiopia v South Africa, Second Phase, (1966) ICJ Rep 6, ICGJ 158 (ICJ 1966), 18th July 1966, International Court of Justice (ICJ).
340:, "I, and I imagine the others, will be at any Move Review to support the close...". I suppose we'll need to make a more central announcement now, to avoid just more local consensus.
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I see nothing wrong with the close, so it would probably be better to simply open a new move request with the evidence. Whatever happens, there should be a usage note in the article.
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I see nothing wrong with the close, so it would probably be better to simply open a new move request with the evidence. Whatever happens, there should be a usage note in the article.
1671:"Let this be a firm warning: imposition of a MOS page to articles not under that page's scope, without firm consensus at talk, is disruptive and will result in sanctions if repeated"
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I suggest a project space RFC reconsideration in no less than six months from the close of this review. Ideological tempers need to cool. This does not benefit the project. --
2756:(Disclosure: I requested the move in the first place.) I might be misunderstanding the process here. At the time of closing there was no opposition to the requested move. Closer
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admin, closed the discussion with a biased and inflammatory rant against people who prefer to follow the guidelines of the MOS. Details and evidence to follow.
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Several additional useful sources concerning South West Africa were discovered, none of which is referred to in the article at all. None of them uses a hyphen.
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here, with his side of the issue only, and calls it "neutral notice" in the edit summary. I'm pretty sure that's explicitly not OK. And it was shortly after
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PoV gush about the topic in one after another of these discussions, and it just demonstrates that you are not approaching these matters rationally but simply
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Most of "endorse" comments above appear to be completely missing the point, and are re-arguing the move rationale. This MR isn't about that, it's about the
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The move discussion had a lot to do with that, but the review is about an involved editor doing a biased close, not about the merits of the move arguments.
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is the real name of a quite prominent movie. But, yes, I can see your point as well. He gave you guys a good what for on your talk page and in the close.
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Also spectactularly non-neutral, just like your bigger canvass before this. Do you just need to look up what "neutral" means or something?
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needed to be above suspicion, and it was not, given the prior views of the closer. No more from me; we've all spent enough time on this.
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that ignored all policy- and source-based arguments, as did the closer, who has a pre-set and strong view on the matter, having opposed
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1881:"Legal risk"? WTH are you even talking about?
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