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Number one, you don't start here at a noticeboard. You use the article's talk page. You also look in the contribution history and find out who made that addition, then you civilly ask them about it. There is no need for dispute resolution at this stage. So go back to the talk page and start there. --
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consists of a section, primarily written by one editor, on why published designs for star-moving megastructures contradict physics and could never exist in the real world. There are no references to sources, reliable or otherwise, for the assertations made in the section.
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My question concerned whether LenLen499833's arguments constituted OR - i.e. whether it was fine to remove an entire well-sourced section of content based on LenLen499833's interpretation of birth registers and primary sources.
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