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British Caledonian, joined the airline's fleet, allowing Biman to begin international flights." But, the second history section says - "Biman started its journey with a gifted vintage Dakota and Douglas DC-3, which crashed a month later during a test flight." - and then moves onto the 1980s. What constituted Biman's original fleet? Fokkers and Caledonians or Dakotas and DC-3s?
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suggestion made by quite a while back, but things have evolved much ever since. (well, I do feel a bit like a jackass taking my words back, hahaha). One more thing, I strongly feel that the article should go into FAC as soon as the PR goes silent for more than a week. It's very ready now, notwithstanding the length of the intro section. Cheers.
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I think I'm not succeeding in getting my thoughts across - apologies for that but let me try again. I believe the Fleet section should discuss everything related to the fleet and
History should be confined to company history (with maybe an overview of history from the other sections - Destination,
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I think it is better if the level 2 History section covers the corporate history and not focus too much on other historical aspects which have their own section. In particular, the fleet history is better covered together with other fleet related topics under the named section. I can see the fleet
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Is it possible to incorporate a few lines on the new management, especially the structure of the current management? May be with that inclusion, and a bit on the on initial management structure, it can become a level 2 section, not a level 3 part of the
History section.--07:47, 8 September 2007
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Oh, shit! Why didn't I think of that before! You just removed the second history header, right? Incorporating an overview of historical facts from other parts is an wonderful idea again. Just keep it very brief, otherwise someone would surely spot it for redundancy. And, oh, I remembered that
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Well, even if the two history sections remain apart, I'd like to draw attention to a big discrepancy in facts. The first history section says - "Biman commenced operations with two Fokker F27 aircraft flying passengers to
Chittagong and Sylhet from its base in Dhaka. Soon after a Boeing 707,
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I couldn't find anything notable for that period (or anything for that matter). Most of the article is sourced from news articles which thanks to the
Internet has made it possible to write articles like this. But for the pre-Internet era, there's nothing available that I could find. →
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Is there a need for two different history sections? I'd suggest (and I tried that too) a single history section that include most of the history, if not all, leaving the fleet section to deal with the current fleet with a bit of background and expansion/upgradation measures.
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shows that Livery should be included in the history section (which is the case for this article). There is not enough information available to create a specific sub-section. I know that the livery has undergone changes but could find no sources discussing it. →
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The second paragraph in the reorganized history section shows some inconsistency about the first Biman aircrafts. I didn't notice it before I reorganized that part. I guess, it'd be easy to fix and get a bit streamlined. --03:40, 3 September 2007
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History which I think can be solved by just removing the heading. I've jiggled it about a bit so let me know what you think of the current layout. →
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The promotion of the management section from level 3 to level 2 was very appropriate. It could be helped further by incorporating a few bits on the current management (in structure, if not in names), otherwise it lacks completeness big time.
390:"Douglas DC-10s and Airbus A310s were added to its fleet during the 1980s and 1990s, but the airline suffers an increasing rate of mechanical failures" This sentence does not read well. The two statements of the sentences seem not connected.
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No references in first two paragraphs of "History" section. At least one citation per paragraph is generally sought, two or more if possible. Not a big problem, but maybe enough to eventually withhold FA status. --18:41, 3 September 2007
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History header under Fleet. Will submit for FAC as suggested. Hopefully, one or two other passes of copyedit/proofread can be done - we'll see how it goes. Thanks again for all your help! →
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History section. This would remove mention of fleet from the history section ensuring this only deals with corporate history. The Fleet-:
419:"These acted as a replacement for the BAe ATPs" This sentence suddenly talks about BAe ATPS that were so far unknown to the reader. Which BAe ATPs? Have that been mentioned previously? --14:38, 3 September 2007 (UTC)
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Create articles (may be stubs to start with) for Biman subsidiaries. If they are not notable enough then remove the redlinks from the subsidiaries section (infobox and body of article) --06:32, 31 August 2007
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Yep. I guess, with time even I could figure out a way to straighten it. But, for an innocent gazer of facts or a student who has come for quick gathering of information it could've very well become confusing.
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Is it possible to incorporate a few bits on the evolving laws for this government agency over the time into the history section, may be distributed along the time flow? --07:47, 8 September 2007 (UTC)
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The incident and accidents section should be merged with the history. Even if a separate section is retained it should be converted into prose style from a list style. --09:17, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
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hmmm...was there a need to remove the fleet history section? I think the fleet history (which is a notable element of Biman's operations) needs to be kept separate from it's corporate history. →
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The history section needs some expansion, it jumps from the birth to recent times a bit too fast. Were not there anything of note that happened in the time between? --05:35, 31 August 2007 (UTC)
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Not sure about big time, but it certainly would be useful to provide the management structure. Haven't found anything yet on the net that goes into this level of detail, but still looking. →
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Which conversion rate would be useful in doing that? Current market prices or the price of the years associated? The former would be misleading, the later would be difficult to establish.
1130:. Besides, it doesn't really represent a list, as each incident/accident is described in prose, the resemblance to a list is that each has its own paragraph, which are in agreement with
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Thanks. I don't think there's any contradiction between the two sources - just the way they are representing the facts. I'll have a go at trying to put a uniform view in the article. →
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Reducing redundancy? Wonderful idea. My only question is - why two different history sections? I have checking airline articles, and this structure doesn't seem to be a necessity.
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is described on Biman's website, so could be incorporated. I could say a thing or two about their entertainment and refreshments (having flown them a few times) but unfortunately,
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I think it will have a hard time in FAC if this is not addressed and we need to see the best method for doing so. Maybe worth looking at going the other way then USDs → BDT. →
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Also, any frequent flyer programmes? Any remarkable thing on in-flight entertainment or refreshment? Any publication/magazine of the airline? --14:42, 6 September 2007 (UTC)
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