546:"Warren’s squadron was called upon to relieve the British garrison at Porto Ferrajo; under siege since the beginning of May 1801. The arrival of the British ships on 1 August, caused the two French frigates blockading the port to retreat to Leghorn. The two frigates were later brought to action on 2 September. Pomone, Phoenix and Minerve recaptured Succès and destroyed Bravoure after she had run aground."
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Well I can't disagree with you there but unfortunately the only sources I have access to are either
American or British, and both tend to look at things from the British perspective. I did look for Spanish sources but couldn't find any; there is no corresponding article on the Spanish Knowledge (XXG)
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Anyway, that's probably all I can add right now as it is late here and time for bed. Thanks for your efforts with the article. Sorry my comments aren't very in depth, but ships aren't my forte. I've advertised this peer review on the main
Milhist page and the Ships page, so hopefully it will get some
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G'day, I'm sorry that this has taken so long to get a review. I think this is because the bot that normally lists peer reviews is down. I have now manually added this to the history subpage, so it should show on the main peer review page, where it will hopefully gain some more attention. Anyway, I
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This is something I'm working on now but I'm struggling to find reliable sources. The
Spanish article says that after her construction in Havanna, she sailed for Cadiz and from there undertook a number of missions in the Straits and the Med. It doesn't elaborate except to say that
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the orders and I have now made this clear. I presume that, as
Commander-in-Chief of land forces, that Lieutenant-General Sir John Vaughan would have been given the same orders but this is not clear in the source. Rodney, as C-in-C of the Leeward Islands Station was admiral of the
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One glaring issue to me is the fact that we have essentially no information about the ship's
Spanish service. And the one section on the ship's Spanish service is mostly written from the British perspective. The section on Cape St. Vincent barely mentions
175:. I've worked on the article a long time, since it was a stub, and made a lot of edits but feel like I'm now going round in circles. I think it's nearly there, it just needs a bit of a polish. All and any comments are welcome though. Thanks,
464:] I was in two minds about requesting a move. I think the naming conventions refer to "significant careers" and I thought 31 years in the Spanish navy was significant and left it as it was. I don't feel strongly either way though.--
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so not a lot no, but again, sources are sparse. I have included details about the battle because I am usually asked to, when I've put other articles up for various reviews but I guess it could be pared back, if you think it's too
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I can't find any style guidance on this so I have converted to nautical miles simply because the calculation is easier. I tend to assume that distances at sea are nautical miles but if that's not the norm, let me
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I have had a good go at shortening this section. I find reviewers differ about how much background is needed to place the ship's role in context so it's not an easy thing to get right but see what you think.--
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I understood "Spanish
Armament" to be a proper noun, hence the capitals. I've had a look at Google Books and use of capitals is a bit mixed so I'm not sure now. I'll change to a lower case a for the time
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A general point: a number of ships are introduced but aren't described. A rule of thumb I (and others like Sturm) follow is to always mention the ship type on the first occurrence of a ship's name.
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from 1764-1769 and prior to her capture in
January 1780, she was serving in the Med. However, the citations don't seem to support this. But I may be struggling because my Spanish is pretty poor.--
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I searched for an OCLC number but couldn't find one but I now see that the dates in the reference are for Volume II. Dates changed to 1793-1796 and OCLC number added. Thanks--
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References, "Medals of the British Navy and how they were won": this should probably use title case capitalisation: "Medals of the British Navy and How They Were Won"
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had a significant career in the
Spanish navy, although very little of it features in the article. I don't feel strongly either way but I will log a move request shortly.--
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Is there too much detail of the battle of Cape St
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Thanks for your comments and help with getting a wider audience. I was considering shutting the review a few days ago, because it hadn't garnered any interest.--
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I have found some reliable Spanish sources and added all I can reference. I have had a Spaniard look at it and she is sanquine my translation is accurate.--
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was part of a squadron of ten ships of the line sent to collect King Carlos III from Naples in 1759. She was laid up for a long time at the
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role would shorten the section to a couple of lines. I will give this some more thought and hopefully I'll soon have a bit more to add.--
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The source doesn't say. Presumably it came from the governments' hastily convened war cabinet, via The Admiralty. London covers both.--
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Following the outbreak of war between the Dutch Republic and Britain in December 1780, orders were sent from London to seize the island
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There are links to both the Napoleonic Wars and the Treaty of Amiens but I guess it doesn't hurt to mention belligerents.--
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That's as far as I was able to get tonight. Overall, the article needs a pretty good copyedit. Might I suggest contacting
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893:, Thanks for your comments. I haven't been ignoring them, I've just been rather busy with work commitments.--
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I have put details of the squadron in a footnote to make this clearer.--
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Well spotted. And the first and last names were reversed. Done, thanks--
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join Rodney's squadron? (I assume? The ship isn't mentioned there)
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It should probably be titled under HMS Gibraltar. :-)
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